Post by William Martin on Jul 7, 2003 17:15:00 GMT
perhaps there are some 8 or 16mm of pre war tv i know the bbc telerecorded a play "tale of two cities" in 1939 but had to burn it at the order of alexander korda who owned the copyright to record the book. there must be screen film of 1930s tv apart from the recording made in the usa in 1938 of a bbc signal received due to freak weather conditions. there must be film clips made by owners of early tvs and at the 1936 radio olympiad bbc tv display section. there certainly is of the 1935-1944 german tv service. and i hope ther is something of the 1929-1935 baird service
on the Ally Pally website a while back, they did mention a 16mm in wonderful Kodachrome that had been discovered of a pre or post (cant remember which) war television show. What happened was the tv show went out and then they did the whole show again for the benefit of the film camera. hope that is of help?
As has been mentioned on this forum more than once, the BBC made an experiment of recording 'The Scarlet Pimpernel' at roughly the same time London Film Productions were making a sequel. Read the account in the book 'Here's Looking at You' (BBC Books - Bruce Norman - 1984). Bits of 1930s TV survive on Movietone news clips (camera pointed at screen) and a 30 second clip of the 1937 coronation exists in a later (surviving) programme. The majority of Kodachrome film was shot at Radiolympia, though some was also shot at AP. These feature mostly rehearsals. The surviving Baird recordings can be seen here: www.tvdawn.com/index.htm Reading Donald's book will answer every possible question you might want to know about the Baird recordings. Finally, a number of 17.5mm Baird Intermediate film strips survive.
I'm intrigued about the 30 second clip of the 1937 Coronation, Andy. I'd never heard of this before. How did just this fragment come to survive in a later show? More to the point, I suppose, is why wasn't more kept (given the perceived importance of the event)?
There is much confusion about this area of 'first' recording (or early recordings in general). The oft quoted Adelaide Hall '1947' recording is two years out of step (Summer of 1949!!). The first true programme recorded was the Nov 1948 Royal Wedding (and even that isn't complete - it is part filmed). Probably the first true 'programme' is 'The Opening of Sutton Coldfield'. In 1953, viewers were asked if they had any film of the 1937 Coronation. A reader handed in some 16mm film taken directly off the original 1937 Coronation. This was used twice by the BBC. Once as a feature and secondly as an insert into the big production which was broadcast the night before the Coronation - The Passing Show (which being a special edition of the earlier 'Passing Shows'). This show featured a couple who lived through the most recent 'Coronation Years'. The man (Roger Livesley(sic!) - watches the 1937 broadcast on his home set as part of the drama. The amateur film was then mixed in and re-recorded for posterity. Both original film and owner were never heard of again! That answer your question !?!
Post by William Martin on Jul 14, 2003 15:29:33 GMT
i've also being posting this on the Mausoleum club i'd asked about the baird intermediate film there but not here what is the status of such material? the 1935-1944 German tv service has a number of I.Film clips which was virtualy the same as bairds system as both baird tv and german tv had worked together until hitler threw all the foreigners out. Acording to my copy of "here's looking at you" Alexander Korda made the bbc burn(and film the burning)of the Scarlet pimpernel due to a breach mechanical copyright. in the mean time i'll certainly look at the www.tvdawn.com/index.htm site