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Post by George D on Mar 9, 2012 5:25:36 GMT
Why in the world would he be putting cue dots on the film? (rolls eyes)
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Post by Jon Preddle on Mar 9, 2012 6:38:30 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the original broadcast masters would have been shelved and catalogued shortly after their original broadcasts, correct? Which means that the Fury film print exchange with an Adam Adamant episode happened most likely during a rerun broadcast, correct? Now, I've got a really cool idea for you, if you co-ordinate the sequence of broadcasts for Adam Adamant and Fury From the Deep, back to the summer of 1968, you might be able to find the weekly program schedule of just which of those episodes ran together. That episode of Adam Adamant wasn't repeated in the UK. If anything, the film was one that had been returned from overseas, but if so, AAL wasn't sold widely, if at all - certainly there is no clear evidence that it screened in Australia, and it certainly didn't in New Zealand - so the big question is, which country did it come back from?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 9, 2012 7:47:54 GMT
The easiest way would be to look at Tony Williamson's writer's file at the BBC's Written Archive. That should show any overseas payments made for this particular episode.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Mar 9, 2012 15:28:13 GMT
Cue dots on film are for the projectionist to know when to switch reels, or add commercials. They generally don't have anything to do with preventing bootlegs.
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Post by davidstead on Mar 9, 2012 16:54:20 GMT
The Cue Dots that Adam Lee had put on the Ice Warriors prints, were exactly for the reason of tracing bootleg copies. The 16mm dupe print copies that Ian Levine purchased from the BBC were marked in a similar way. It was to see if any bootlegs appeared and then trace them to either the library prints or the Levine ones.
This fact was never made public for that specific reason.
I have the released (marked)version, a copy of the Levine(marked)version and also a telecine tfr done prior to the marking process (all VHS), so Adam Lee's specific damaging can be proven. The telecine tfr I have kept secreted away for years, but it proves the prints were marked. - I knew it would be useful someday.
The Cue dots on the library Archival print of episode one appear around the time the ice warrior is being discovered in the Ice (nowhere near any reel change) - You may have noticed on some old prints of episodes, that the cue dots appear where they should (at the end of the credits).
I would class it as vandalism, rather than security measure. surely just marking Ian Levine's copies would have sufficed. Adam Lee is still the only Archive Selector to deliberately mark Archival master material (surely the whole point of something being an archive master is that is isn't ever damaged!!).
Hope that helps
Davidx
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Post by Steven Sigel on Mar 9, 2012 18:33:46 GMT
I've never heard of anyone marking a print for that reason - doing that to a video copy, maybe, but to an original master print?? Wouldn't really be a "cue" mark at that point though. Cue marks are used for cuing.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Mar 9, 2012 22:33:21 GMT
The Cue Dots that Adam Lee had put on the Ice Warriors prints, were exactly for the reason of tracing bootleg copies. The 16mm dupe print copies that Ian Levine purchased from the BBC were marked in a similar way. It was to see if any bootlegs appeared and then trace them to either the library prints or the Levine ones. In what form do these cue dots appear? Are they little pin holes, or big 'slodges'? I've looked at my (possibly bootleg!) copy I got in the early 1990s, and can't see any markings... Can you be a bit more precise with how to find and identify the marks, specifically a timecode and position (top, left...) on the screen? thanks!
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Post by dennywilson on Mar 10, 2012 5:49:11 GMT
The Cue Dots that Adam Lee had put on the Ice Warriors prints, were exactly for the reason of tracing bootleg copies. The 16mm dupe print copies that Ian Levine purchased from the BBC were marked in a similar way. It was to see if any bootlegs appeared and then trace them to either the library prints or the Levine ones. That's just insane.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Mar 10, 2012 7:47:54 GMT
The Cue Dots that Adam Lee had put on the Ice Warriors prints, were exactly for the reason of tracing bootleg copies. I've looked at my (possibly bootleg!) copy I got in the early 1990s Busted! ;D
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 10, 2012 8:58:57 GMT
In what form do these cue dots appear? Are they little pin holes, or big 'slodges'? I've looked at my (possibly bootleg!) copy I got in the early 1990s, and can't see any markings... The very fuzzy copy I managed to source rather gave the game away. It had a "BBC F&VT Library" overlay on the picture in the top left hand corner! ;D
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Post by davidstead on Mar 10, 2012 11:24:11 GMT
I would have to check my copies for the relevant t/c's and I only know the exact positioning of the cue dots on the archive master, not Ian Levines copy, so it would take a while to locate on that one. The cue dots are like largish polo mints and are around the top edge of the picture for a small number of frames, so not major damage people might say. However Archival master material shouldn't be deliberately damaged for any reason, should it?!
I am quite suprised by the number of 'BBC F & VT L' timecoded material that is on U-Tube. I have always avoided anything like that timecoded, both while working at and since leaving, the BBC. Timecoding on videotape material is much less obvious as to it's source, but timecoding on any material is usually an indicator that the material has leaked out from somewhere!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2012 13:12:16 GMT
I would class it as vandalism, rather than security measure. surely just marking Ian Levine's copies would have sufficed. Adam Lee is still the only Archive Selector to deliberately mark Archival master material (surely the whole point of something being an archive master is that is isn't ever damaged!!). Hope that helps Davidx I just keep hearing more and more about Adam Lee and it gets worse. A man who doesn't know the value of anything and should never have been put in custody of valuable archive material.
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Post by dennywilson on Mar 11, 2012 2:49:03 GMT
I just keep hearing more and more about Adam Lee and it gets worse. A man who doesn't know the value of anything and should never have been put in custody of valuable archive material. How long was he the "archive selector" for The BBC?
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Mar 11, 2012 21:27:03 GMT
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Post by John Harwood (bjblackpool) on Mar 11, 2012 21:36:11 GMT
The very fuzzy copy I managed to source rather gave the game away. It had a "BBC F&VT Library" overlay on the picture in the top left hand corner! ;D One friend of mine got his copy only to complain it was widescreen: somewhere down the chain someone had decided to remove the "F&VTL" and timecode by superimposing black bars at the top and bottom
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