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Post by simonashby on Feb 22, 2012 8:30:53 GMT
Under what circumstances did Ian Levine gain access to purchase copies of Doctor Who episodes in 1978?
I've never ever heard anything more on this, other than he had gained access to prints. I assume this is the first incident of this happening? What about rights issues and so on? I don't want to ask a stupid question, but was Levine the first to do this? Maybe not in regards to DW alone, but any other BBC material.
It's always been a murky picture as far as I was concerned.
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Post by John Wall on Feb 22, 2012 8:58:21 GMT
I saw "Culloden" and "The War Game" at college at about the same time - all above board. DWAS bought prints of "Edge of Destruction" and "The Rescue" at about that time as I saw them at a convention in, iirc, 1980.
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Post by Ash Stewart on Feb 22, 2012 12:38:13 GMT
Under what circumstances did Ian Levine gain access to purchase copies of Doctor Who episodes in 1978? I've never ever heard anything more on this, other than he had gained access to prints. I assume this is the first incident of this happening? What about rights issues and so on? I don't want to ask a stupid question, but was Levine the first to do this? Maybe not in regards to DW alone, but any other BBC material. It's always been a murky picture as far as I was concerned. Really, there's nothing at all murky about it! He approached the BBC, making enquiries, and was told what would need to be done in order for him to be able to purchase them. I seem to recall it was quite complex, in that there were all sorts of issues in relation to rights, and so on, and initially they wouldn't let him buy anything from more than 7 years previous. Also he was paying something in the order of £600 an episode. Think how expensive that seems *now*; imagine what that would have bought you in the late 70s... If you can track down a copy of DWB 103 (IIRC), he outlines all the circumstances in a lot of detail there. Very interesting read, as is the follow up about missing episodes the next issue. He was the first private individual, unconnected to the show, to purchase DW episodes. Prior to him, the only other sale of episodes was to Terry Nation's agent, who bought four DIOE episodes.
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Post by John Green on Feb 22, 2012 14:30:20 GMT
Very ethical of the agent.What would have been the comparative cost in terms of small family cars of purchasing a domestic VCR and taping them themselves when broadcast.Or hadn't the royalties come in by then?
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Post by Richard Molesworth on Feb 22, 2012 15:54:34 GMT
Very ethical of the agent.What would have been the comparative cost in terms of small family cars of purchasing a domestic VCR and taping them themselves when broadcast.Or hadn't the royalties come in by then? Err... it was in 1964 when Nation's agent purchased the DIOE films. There were no domestic VCR's at the time. Regards, Richard
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Post by John Green on Feb 22, 2012 16:22:55 GMT
My apologies.A home video recorder cost tens of thousands in 1963,Even the BBC offer was reasonable! I'd have been tempted to offer Terry Nation free copies as sweeteners for the next round of negotiations.
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Post by Rob Moss on Feb 22, 2012 16:41:50 GMT
My apologies.A home video recorder cost tens of thousands in 1963,Even the BBC offer was reasonable! I'd have been tempted to offer Terry Nation free copies as sweeteners for the next round of negotiations. I doubt it would have made a scrap of difference!
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Post by nicholas young on Feb 22, 2012 18:59:43 GMT
But were any Dr.Who prints sold unofficially to private individuals or organisations before 1978 ?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 22, 2012 19:07:00 GMT
No. Why would they be sold unofficially?
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Post by nicholas young on Feb 22, 2012 19:19:11 GMT
No. Why would they be sold unofficially? Perhaps too much hassle or paperwork, rules or regulations involved to log it officially when the individuals/ organisations might have only wanted one or two prints.Sale not big or regular enough to make note of.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 22, 2012 20:47:24 GMT
No. Why would they be sold unofficially? Perhaps too much hassle or paperwork, rules or regulations involved to log it officially when the individuals/ organisations might have only wanted one or two prints.Sale not big or regular enough to make note of. He only killed one person, who had cancer and was dying anyway. Best not bother with a court case. Or in other words, IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL!
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 22, 2012 21:04:41 GMT
Perhaps too much hassle or paperwork, rules or regulations involved to log it officially when the individuals/ organisations might have only wanted one or two prints.Sale not big or regular enough to make note of. Sorry Nicholas, but that is rather ridiculous! ;D
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Post by nicholas young on Feb 22, 2012 21:27:38 GMT
Perhaps too much hassle or paperwork, rules or regulations involved to log it officially when the individuals/ organisations might have only wanted one or two prints.Sale not big or regular enough to make note of. Sorry Nicholas, but that is rather ridiculous! ;D Well Iam sorry if I offended and certainly didn't mean to imply anything illegal however in "wiped" book it states that some Dr.Who prints did manage to get out of the BBC somehow, just wondered if that would explain how.For the record yes Iam rather ridiculous ;D
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Post by Charles Daniels on Feb 22, 2012 22:17:58 GMT
Also he was paying something in the order of £600 an episode. Think how expensive that seems *now*; imagine what that would have bought you in the late 70s... I've just worked it out. In 2012 that same cost would be £4,870
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Post by Charles Daniels on Feb 22, 2012 22:21:01 GMT
My apologies.A home video recorder cost tens of thousands in 1963 By a weird coincidence, I was looking up the price of a video recorder in 1963 just yesterday. The price I found was £50,000 Or, in 2012 money, just over £2 million
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