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Post by Simeon Carter on Feb 18, 2012 22:45:58 GMT
I am mow starting to look into the Tele-Snaps that were taken and I have a few questions which hopefully people can answer. Much like my previous thread about off-air photographs (that weren't Tele-Snaps) I will ask more questions as I go along and get further into the topic. Any help will be much appreciated. These are my questions so far:
1.) According to Wiped! there are 72 Tele-Snaps from the Crusade Ep. 2 but there are only 71 on the BBC website. Has this Tele-Snap been published or is it just the Doctor Who logo from the title sequence?
2.) According to Wiped! there are 67 Tele-Snaps from the Crusade Ep. 4 but there are only 64 on the BBC website. Have these Tele-Snap been published and is one of the images just the Doctor Who logo from the title sequence?
3.) How many Tele-Snaps were taken from The Crusade Eps. 1 & 3?
4.) Have Tele-Snaps from existing episodes ever been published?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 18, 2012 23:51:13 GMT
Total numbers of tele-snaps for all episodes are published in Nothing at the End of the Lane #2, (they should correlate though) but no, not all the tele-snaps were used in DWM or on the BBC website for a variety of reasons.
Only the tele-snaps from existing orphan episodes have been published in DWM and on the BBC website.
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Post by Rob Moss on Feb 18, 2012 23:53:13 GMT
I don't know for sure, but occasionally Cura would inadvertently take a picture just as the shot or scene changed, resulting in a blend of two images. This may account for one or more of the discrepancies. Or there may be another reason entirely!
I'm pretty sure that DWM printed complete stories' worth of telesnaps, so as not to have irritating breaks where there were existing episodes. Generally, you'd get a better result if you were to take a screen grab from a cleaned up film print though, I imagine.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 19, 2012 0:27:20 GMT
I am mow starting to look into the Tele-Snaps that were taken and I have a few questions which hopefully people can answer. Much like my previous thread about off-air photographs (that weren't Tele-Snaps) I will ask more questions as I go along and get further into the topic. Any help will be much appreciated. These are my questions so far: 1.) According to Wiped! there are 72 Tele-Snaps from the Crusade Ep. 2 but there are only 71 on the BBC website. Has this Tele-Snap been published or is it just the Doctor Who logo from the title sequence? 2.) According to Wiped! there are 67 Tele-Snaps from the Crusade Ep. 4 but there are only 64 on the BBC website. Have these Tele-Snap been published and is one of the images just the Doctor Who logo from the title sequence? 3.) How many Tele-Snaps were taken from The Crusade Eps. 1 & 3? 4.) Have Tele-Snaps from existing episodes ever been published? 1 - Likely just the titles. The Evil of the Daleks is similar (Ep7 only has 58 images on the site but NATEOTL2 lists 64). Then again as Rob says some of the images may be so blurred or between shots that there was no point in displaying them. 2 - See above. 3 - I haven't been able to find out, but if someone knows please let me know so I can update my site (http://missingepisodes.blogspot.co.nz/p/telesnaps.html). 4 - Richard beat me to it. Why would anyone bother with existing episode Tele-snaps? It's like why bother release audio soundtracks from stories that exist. Then again, that's been known to happen...
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Post by PAUL COTTON on Feb 19, 2012 10:09:49 GMT
DWM did print telesnaps from both missing and present episodes of a serial. In the case of serials like 'The Web of Fear' and 'The Wheel in Space' alternate episodes would appear in DWM and Doctor Who Classic Comics(you would need to buy both to have the complete story). Single episodes like Tenth Planet 4 were also published in DWM and one DWM issue has all of 'The Smugglers' telesnaps.
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Post by Simeon Carter on Feb 19, 2012 13:15:33 GMT
On the photonovels page the first image given is actually called '02' when you save it. I think I am right in saying that the first Tele-Snap is just the Doctor Who logo from the title sequence and they have just not included it [Was this included when Tele-Snaps were published in magazines?] Likewise the Tele-Snaps from 'The Smugglers' onwards start with image '05' which I presume means they have excluded; the Doctor Who logo, the episode title, the writer and the episode number.
If what I have said above is true this still leaves two images from The Crusade 3 that are not on the BBC photonovel page. Were these published in DWM 280 or have they never been published? If they have been can someone post them on here?
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 19, 2012 19:38:19 GMT
I've got the full set of Evil of the Daleks 7 so i can compare them to the BBC's website (which as I said has a discrepancy of six images), but from memory they're just blurry shots / title sequence images, so likely The Crusade 3 is the same.
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Post by Simeon Carter on Feb 19, 2012 22:26:41 GMT
Brad where did you get the full set from Episode 7 of Evil? Would you be able to share them here/pm me? Also I would still be interested in seeing the complete set for every story even if they are blurry shots or title sequence images. Would unpublished Tele-Snaps have a place in NATEOTL #4?
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 20, 2012 0:56:53 GMT
Someone emailed them to me years ago (I got Evil 6 as well).
I'm *assuming* they still exist somewhere on one of my many back up hard drives. Will have to look for them.
I've been slowly replacing my collection with the 800x600 versions on the BBC site anyway, which obviously now isn't the full set. Quite possible I've actually deleted them but will let you know if I find them.
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Post by alexwdmn on Feb 20, 2012 7:11:07 GMT
Did DWM publish the full set of surviving Marco Polo telesnaps? And if so, were they the only publisher to reproduce the telesnaps in full?
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Post by Simeon Carter on Feb 20, 2012 7:50:15 GMT
Thanks Brad. It would be truly appreciated as I really want to get a complete collection of Who telesnaps.
No. There were some missing from the DWM issues they were published in but, as far as I know, they are the only people to have published them. I really want to see the full set!!!
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 20, 2012 8:07:39 GMT
Sorry Simeon, can't find them. Must've trashed them ages ago. As I said I was replacing the lower res copies with higher ones, and just assumed the BBC site had them all.
From memory the first 3 were all title cards, whereas the site starts with the first show of the Emperor's throne room.
Marco Polo has only been published in DWM as far as I know.
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Post by alexwdmn on Feb 20, 2012 10:00:48 GMT
Do we know how many Marco Polo snaps were missing from DWM? I presume they still published more than were used on "The Beginning" DVD box-set?
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Post by Simeon Carter on Feb 20, 2012 18:34:29 GMT
Ahhh. Such a shame Brad. It would be great to see all of the telesnaps from those episodes.
Yes. Wiped! tells us the actual amount of telesnaps from each episode of Marco Polo but quite a few weren't published in DWM. I believe there was quite a bit of trouble being allowed to publish the images and so we may not get to see the unpublished telesnaps for a while.
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Post by Simeon Carter on Feb 23, 2012 17:40:19 GMT
Were the Crusade Tele-Snaps that are missing from the BBC archive published in DWM 280? If so could someone put a full page scan on here?
Why were so many Marco Polo images not published in DWM? Are the 'missing' ones likely to be published in the near future?
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