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Post by felixdembinski on Jan 31, 2012 18:56:02 GMT
I've been wondering why they didn't chose to animate the missing tenth planet episode, as only one is missing and it features both the cybermen and the first regeneration which would probably pull more sales.
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Post by Tim Burrows on Jan 31, 2012 19:02:30 GMT
I'd imagine it's because we live in hope that it's in Peter Purves' sock drawer...
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Post by John Andersen on Jan 31, 2012 19:31:55 GMT
On the question of animating Reign of Terror rather than Wheel in Space or Underwater menace you have to ask yourself whether people are more likely to be interested in the machinations of late 18th and early 19th century politicians-the ebb and flow of the Robespierists,the Girondins,The Mountain,Royalists,Brissonists,etc.,on the one hand,and bug-eyed monsters on the other.No contest. Frankly,the mind boggles. I can see your point. I am only guessing here, but I think they are currently attempting to animate stories that have more than 50% of the episodes surviving in the archive. That would limit the choices to The Reign of Terror, The Tenth Planet, and The Ice Warriors. Personally, I would have gone with The Ice Warriors because there are many more Hartnell stories available on video than Patrick Troughton stories. I think it is also possible that they went with The Reign of Terror because we have already had one Troughton story animated.
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Post by John Green on Jan 31, 2012 19:36:47 GMT
I get what you mean John,but it sometimes seems as though everyone loaths the 18th century in drama-pity the Americans who have to show the founding fathers in wigs (or is it peri-wigs) or pretty much ignore the century. Reign of Terror being animated just makes me think how pleased a certain founding father of Doctor Who would be. Any chance of a pure historical on Hereward the Wake for 2013?
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Post by Giles Sparrow on Jan 31, 2012 20:15:30 GMT
I can see your point. I am only guessing here, but I think they are currently attempting to animate stories that have more than 50% of the episodes surviving in the archive. That would limit the choices to The Reign of Terror, The Tenth Planet, and The Ice Warriors. Personally, I would have gone with The Ice Warriors because there are many more Hartnell stories available on video than Patrick Troughton stories. I think it is also possible that they went with The Reign of Terror because we have already had one Troughton story animated. My theory, for what it's worth, is that they did Reign first as an insurance policy. Of the three unreleased incomplete stories, it's the "boring one", and so if sales underperform they can make a good case that Ice Warriors will do better. And if sales on that still underperform, then Tenth Planet is an even better commercial proposition, and only has one episode missing to boot... If they did one of the other stories first and it underperformed, it would make the case for doing Reign a heck of a lot tougher... Personally I'd only expect them to look at the other stories with two missing episodes if the sales on the "Big Three" are better than expected, although the new Underwater Menace recovery may change that... Dan Hall made a statement about further animations last autumn that, if read in a certain way, could be taken as a veiled reference to the recovery.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 31, 2012 20:22:08 GMT
.... you have to ask yourself whether people are more likely to be interested in the machinations of late 18th and early 19th century politicians-the ebb and flow of the Robespierists,the Girondins,The Mountain,Royalists,Brissonists,etc.,on the one hand,and bug-eyed monsters on the other .... Which is probably the very reason why The Reign of Terror (and other historicals) was not as sold as widely as the rest of seasons 1 and 2 - it would have held little importance to viewers in the Middle East and Latin America. Who knows, if the BBC had attempted to educate those nations about European history, Marco, Reign and Crusade would probably still exist...
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Post by John Andersen on Jan 31, 2012 20:40:03 GMT
I can see your point. I am only guessing here, but I think they are currently attempting to animate stories that have more than 50% of the episodes surviving in the archive. That would limit the choices to The Reign of Terror, The Tenth Planet, and The Ice Warriors. Personally, I would have gone with The Ice Warriors because there are many more Hartnell stories available on video than Patrick Troughton stories. I think it is also possible that they went with The Reign of Terror because we have already had one Troughton story animated. My theory, for what it's worth, is that they did Reign first as an insurance policy. Of the three unreleased incomplete stories, it's the "boring one", and so if sales underperform they can make a good case that Ice Warriors will do better. And if sales on that still underperform, then Tenth Planet is an even better commercial proposition, and only has one episode missing to boot... If they did one of the other stories first and it underperformed, it would make the case for doing Reign a heck of a lot tougher... I see logic in your post. That is definitely a possibility.
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Post by Andrew Parker on Jan 31, 2012 20:56:15 GMT
Despite 2Entertain's comments that only a story with more than 50% remaining would be up for animation selection over on another forum I use there are a lot of people dead set that the Crusades, the Moonbase and now the Underwater Menace will get the same treatment. Blind faith is a strong thing it seems.
Reading the above posts the comments on why Reign have been done make sense, I for one can't wait for this, just for the chance to see a couple of episodes (although animated) that I've not seen before. Hopefully the Ice Warriors will follow and maybe the Tenth Planet after (although a small part of me hopes they delay this in the vein hope part 4 is found - whoops now I'm suffering from blind faith.)
Regarding the two missing episodes returned I really hope they release these soon, I'm dead keen on seeing them. I'd wish they'd show them on telly or something just so we can see them!
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Post by Andrew Parker on Jan 31, 2012 20:58:24 GMT
I'd imagine it's because we live in hope that it's in Peter Purves' sock drawer... If he did I think he would have returned it a long time ago, if its in anyone's sock drawer its someone who doesn't know about missing Who.
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Post by John Green on Jan 31, 2012 21:50:24 GMT
I have my doubts. Not that I hope Reign of Terror sells badly,but it's a strange idea that a company might release a less-commercial serial first,so that they can prove by paying for another more popular partially animated title to be made,that it IS possible to make money out of them despite the relative failure of the first. Surely you'd go the other way? Release the dead cert first,then coast along with the other titles? Bit late now!
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Post by Brad Phipps on Jan 31, 2012 23:11:26 GMT
Despite 2Entertain's comments that only a story with more than 50% remaining would be up for animation selection over on another forum I use there are a lot of people dead set that the Crusades, the Moonbase and now the Underwater Menace will get the same treatment. Of those stories I'd only consider buying The Moonbase. The other two don't hold my interest.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Jan 31, 2012 23:15:25 GMT
I have my doubts. Not that I hope Reign of Terror sells badly,but it's a strange idea that a company might release a less-commercial serial first,so that they can prove by paying for another more popular partially animated title to be made,that it IS possible to make money out of them despite the relative failure of the first. There would be a majority of Dr Who fans that collect DVDs that would buy all the stories regardless (the whole collector syndrome that afflicts many sci fi fans ), and then a minor group that would only buy the ones they're interested in / favourite Doctor / etc. In saying that there would be a guarenteed profit of DVD sales if they roughly knew each DVD release would return X amount of money. Anything above that is additional. If they knew the "guarenteed" return was enough to warrant The Reign of Terror a "success" (and that could go for any 'clunker' that Doctor Who has produced) then much of this discussion is a moot point. Granted I have no knowledge of what kind of profit each DVD makes, obviously some fair better than others.
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Jan 31, 2012 23:58:39 GMT
From what I have read about the new animators they have plans but what exactly are those plans we will have to wait they are extremely tight lipped on the issue Theta Sigma and Big Finish are working on it. Knowing Big Finish they would love to get ever last episode that's missing animated at this point and it would open the possiblity of some of their radio only productions (i.e. their 8th Doctor stories) to be animated but not to get too excited this in any case will still take some time.
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Post by John Green on Feb 1, 2012 0:02:36 GMT
Actually,I'd also like the Pertwee radio Whos animated.
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Post by Rob Moss on Feb 1, 2012 0:37:51 GMT
Actually,I'd also like the Pertwee radio Whos animated. Really..? I'd like them bulk-erased..!
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