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Post by Ross Mann on Jan 18, 2012 0:12:26 GMT
Hi all, In regards to other threads which have brought up the subject of old TV telerecordings ending up in a landfill. I stumbled upon a video on YouTube the other day which should be of interest, I did a quick search of the forums and couldn't find anything related, apologies if this has been brought up in the past. I can't seem to be able to create a link from my device but here is all the relevant info; 16mm film restoration, AUSTVARCHIVE and a web address james@oldtvgear.com . What you should see is the retrieved contents of a film that was recovered from a dump site.
Cheers, Ross.
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Post by Rob Moss on Jan 18, 2012 0:59:40 GMT
Hi all, In regards to other threads which have brought up the subject of old TV telerecordings ending up in a landfill. I stumbled upon a video on YouTube the other day which should be of interest, I did a quick search of the forums and couldn't find anything related, apologies if this has been brought up in the past. I can't seem to be able to create a link from my device but here is all the relevant info; 16mm film restoration, AUSTVARCHIVE and a web address james@oldtvgear.com . What you should see is the retrieved contents of a film that was recovered from a dump site. Cheers, Ross. Just watched this. Nowhere does he say that the film was removed from its can. I suspect that we're looking at a can of film that has remained sealed. If this was a reel of film that had been unwound and buried loose, it would have rotted away completely. I'd be curious to know how he managed to separate the layers of film without destroying the image though.
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Post by George D on Jan 18, 2012 3:30:13 GMT
Heres a link to the video www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gA9SwnaVgEIt appears he knew where a film dump is. hopefully this guy finds more. Im starting to wonder more and more what really happened in Sierra Leone. I dont think the films there were removed from the cans before burning the place down.
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Post by Ross Mann on Jan 18, 2012 4:33:08 GMT
Thanks for the link George D Were all the ill-fated BBC Telerecordings de-spooled before they went into skips etc? I suppose the cans themselves could be reused, but eventually they may possibly have been as useless as the films were deemed to be and junked with the contents still sealed inside. I know it's a long shot but maybe a classic instalment or two of lost telly may be recovered in a similar fashion someday.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 18, 2012 9:15:52 GMT
Hi all, In regards to other threads which have brought up the subject of old TV telerecordings ending up in a landfill. I stumbled upon a video on YouTube the other day which should be of interest, I did a quick search of the forums and couldn't find anything related, apologies if this has been brought up in the past. I can't seem to be able to create a link from my device but here is all the relevant info; 16mm film restoration, AUSTVARCHIVE and a web address james@oldtvgear.com . What you should see is the retrieved contents of a film that was recovered from a dump site. Cheers, Ross. Thank you for sharing. It helps keep me believing that somehow, someway, episodes believed lost will be saved.
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Post by luccombelad on Jan 18, 2012 16:17:33 GMT
First post and bad news im sorry to say, one of my many hobbies in the past was bottle collecting and dump digging to find them, we used jcb to dig through dump's and in the top layers ( 1930's 40's time) have found camara film and often held it up to the light to see if there was anything on it but there never was and even if there was to find something that small in a dump would take time and a lot of money
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Jan 18, 2012 16:26:57 GMT
Does anyone know if the print of 'The Lion' was kept in its original film can, or was it just a loose reel? As the story goes (at archive.whoniversity.co.uk/gateway/doctorwhorescuingthelion.html) “Even more remarkable is the colorful history behind the film print of The Lion. Research has revealed that this particular film print somehow managed to survive near-burial at a Wellington rubbish tip in 1975, thereby passing from one New Zealand film collector to another for the next quarter century, persevering through owners ignorant of its worth and poor storage conditions. As Scoones illustrates, "It is a remarkable story. It's survival is a combination of good luck and dedication on the part of the film collectors who originally rescued it from the dump." Had it been buried at that “Wellington rubbish tip,” would it have been in its can or would it have been a loose reel? If in its can, could there be more films in cans at that particular rubbish tip? Is the climate in Australia and/or New Zealand perhaps more conducive to slower decay of a film buried in a can than in the UK? However, note that these screen tests for 'Squad' date from 1981 (and were perhaps discarded after 1981), which is more recent than 1975, which is when 'The Lion' was in danger of being buried at the rubbish tip. If an archeological strategy is at all feasible, the sooner this avenue is pursued, the better, but it would be searching for needles in a rubbish heap! I'm amazed that this film was recovered in this fashion! The search could be narrowed considerably if there were some sort of records as to exactly where old film cans were sent, but this would clearly be a very, very difficult undertaking, especially if construction has taken place on top of these sites.
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Post by John Green on Jan 18, 2012 16:51:45 GMT
We're assuming,of course,that the caretaker and various gleaners aren't going to pounce on anything likely.I used to have a friend who;d get a phone call whenever a 10-year run of Playboys got donated. Anything as exotic as cans of film would find a home. As for the third world,remember families are raised on rubbish dumps,with material sifted for salable items such as plastic bags.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 18, 2012 18:23:49 GMT
Does anyone know if the print of 'The Lion' was kept in its original film can, or was it just a loose reel? A vast majority of the films dumped that day were still in their metal cans. As for The Lion, we are not sure. It was certainly not in an original NZBC can when it was recovered in 1999, and with it having passed through so many hands over the years, one of the previous owners had replaced the old metal can with a plastic one. The old rubbish dump is now a public reserve and rugby field.
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Post by Rob Moss on Jan 18, 2012 19:33:38 GMT
Does anyone know if the print of 'The Lion' was kept in its original film can, or was it just a loose reel? A vast majority of the films dumped that day were still in their metal cans. As for The Lion, we are not sure. It was certainly not in an original NZBC can when it was recovered in 1999, and with it having passed through so many hands over the years, one of the previous owners had replaced the old metal can with a plastic one. The old rubbish dump is now a public reserve and rugby field. For God's sake, don't tell them where it is!
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Post by John Green on Jan 18, 2012 20:39:29 GMT
Even allowing for hyperbole,there might be a lesson here about retaining out-of-date formats or defective material. I'm wondering how many people are looking at the video and thinking "What have I thrown away!|
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Post by George D on Jan 18, 2012 22:30:23 GMT
My mind is still in sierra leone.. lol
Of course Im trusting paul and the gang to come up with something better.
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Post by dennywilson on Jan 19, 2012 1:23:28 GMT
Does anyone know if the print of 'The Lion' was kept in its original film can, or was it just a loose reel? As the story goes (at archive.whoniversity.co.uk/gateway/doctorwhorescuingthelion.html) “Even more remarkable is the colorful history behind the film print of The Lion. Research has revealed that this particular film print somehow managed to survive near-burial at a Wellington rubbish tip in 1975, thereby passing from one New Zealand film collector to another for the next quarter century, persevering through owners ignorant of its worth and poor storage conditions. As Scoones illustrates, "It is a remarkable story. It's survival is a combination of good luck and dedication on the part of the film collectors who originally rescued it from the dump." Clearly film collectors knew how and when NZTV disposed of their old tv shows to know where to look and when to look Are we to assume other TV Shows were also rescued?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 19, 2012 1:30:57 GMT
Clearly film collectors knew how and when NZTV disposed of their old tv shows to know where to look and when to look That part of the story can be read here nzdwfc.tetrap.com/archive/tsv57/lion.html#part3Yes, quite a few, but mostly American or ITV productions. The Lion and something called Adventure were the only ones from the BBC.
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Post by George D on Jan 19, 2012 4:10:24 GMT
Out of curiousity, how was the Lion documented in the NZ's destruction logs? Were there any other Dr Who episodes listed for destruction on the same date?
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