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Post by Greg H on May 15, 2012 21:49:35 GMT
In honesty, whilst I appreciate the effort that must go into it and appreciate that some people really enjoy it, I really cant stand computer graphics being superimposed onto classic era stories. Yes, some of the effects and model shots look a little iffy by modern hollywood standards but I wouldn't have it any other way. I tend to grind my teeth when classic series episodes are tinkered with and so if theres no cgi on zygons I will live with that! I would personaly rather se the budget spent on some interesting extras. I would get a lot more enjoyment out of that.
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Post by Rob Moss on May 15, 2012 22:50:17 GMT
have to say i think its a bit slack that zygons isnt getting cg'd.they didnt do it on revenge of the cybermen or invasion of the dinosaurs but planet of fire & enlightenment [theres only one really dodgy bit on this]get the full treatment. Sometimes the ingratitude of Doctor Who fans staggers me. |
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Post by B Thomas on May 15, 2012 23:41:20 GMT
have to say i think its a bit slack that zygons isnt getting cg'd.they didnt do it on revenge of the cybermen or invasion of the dinosaurs but planet of fire & enlightenment [theres only one really dodgy bit on this]get the full treatment. Sometimes the ingratitude of Doctor Who fans staggers me. Perhaps it's due to the lack of social skills and opportunity to practice them? |
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Post by George D on May 16, 2012 2:36:34 GMT
Very interesting conversation.
Im neutral on the topic of SPFX, I know that many times all of us might not express our thoughts as eloquently online as we might through verbal dialog among friends. Social skills online are at times more difficult as sometimes our thoughts in writing may come out a little more blunt than we might have intended.
Arnold appears to have a desire to see certain things CGI'd and is disppointed that it didnt happen while for others we're happy with what we get. That being said, I respect all peoples right to express what they desire as long as there is no malace toward anyone intended.
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Post by Simon Smith on May 16, 2012 6:30:24 GMT
I agree one hundred per cent with Greg H. I don't even bother with the "new" graphics. That is the way the shows were made, for better or worse. You can also get the bizarre effect of everything looking very 70's-esque, except for some new graphics that don't really gel with the look and feel of the story, however much effort and care went into making them(or not in the case of the Revelation DVD graphics...)
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Post by felixdembinski on May 16, 2012 10:11:14 GMT
Most cgi replacements aren't particularly great, but the replacement cgi snake on the Kinda dvd is excellent in my opinion, it looks just as good as most of the monsters from the new series now. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSExEevtc6g |
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Post by Richard Bignell on May 16, 2012 10:49:21 GMT
Most cgi replacements aren't particularly great, but the replacement cgi snake on the Kinda dvd is excellent in my opinion, it looks just as good as most of the monsters from the new series now. That's probably because Chris Petts who did the work on the Mara has also worked on the new series as well!  |
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Post by felixdembinski on May 16, 2012 12:58:35 GMT
Most cgi replacements aren't particularly great, but the replacement cgi snake on the Kinda dvd is excellent in my opinion, it looks just as good as most of the monsters from the new series now. That's probably because Chris Petts who did the work on the Mara has also worked on the new series as well! I didn't know that, thanks! |
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Post by phillipgruber on May 16, 2012 13:37:10 GMT
I have zero time nor interest in CGI plastered over "classic" DW stories... nor do I have any interest or enthusiasm about animated missing episodes. I watched the animated episodes of "The Invasion" just once... didn't like it and whenever I watch that, I skip those episodes. I'm also not remotely interested in seeing Mind Of Evil episode 1 colourised via that method. If the original colour's gone, it's gone. I'm sure the results will look good, but, I'll stick with black and white thank you. In fact The Mind Of Evil works brilliantly in black and white anyway - it is an odd one for the Pertwee era and the black and white gives it a starker mood and tone.
My only interest in the classic DVD's is seeing the original episodes in the best possible quality. The Restoration Team's efforts have been incredible on that front. Unfortunately, I also feel the extras and by and large disposable. Archive items from the time - studio, film trims or 8mm footage - is always appreciated as are things like Blue Peter items or interviews from the time.
There have been a handful of outstanding documentaries - Trials and Tribulations, the one dealing with the final era of Tom Baker and early days of Davison and the Graham Williams one in The Key To Time set stand up to repeated viewings. Sadly, they're some of the exceptions. Most are either a one watch only deal or are downright trivial to the degree there are lots of odd items I've never bothered to watch such as one about Romana's wardrobe. I'm not happy either with Dan Hall's obsession with putting whatever he can out via boxsets, sometimes spanning totally different eras which bump up the price and make a complete mess of the shelves where one tries to keep everything in chronological order. The Revisitations should had been left until all existing stories have been released. Apart from the vidfired Tomb Of The Cybermen, I have zero interest in those.
None of this is in any way a criticism of the Restoration Team.
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Post by douglaswulf on May 16, 2012 15:47:09 GMT
Personally, I'm very, very, very interested in the animated reconstructions going forward.
Although I would certainly prefer the original episodes, there may be very few in existence left to recover, and the recovery rate has certainly been extremely slow. Since Doctor Who is episodic and a continuing storyline, it is annoying for parts of a story to be absent or for whole stories to be absent so that continuity has gaps (such as companions being with the Doctor but with their introduction missing or the First Doctor becoming the Second but with the actual transition missing).
Fortunately, we have the audio for every missing episode. When this audio is joined up with animation, the viewer still has not seen the episode, but at least has a clear understanding of approximately what would have been seen if the episode were still around for viewing. It's a big help to have not only the audio, but some moving visual to accompany it.
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Post by Simon Smith on May 16, 2012 15:48:16 GMT
I mostly agree with Philip Gruber, I have found some of the documentaries appalling. I also dislike the pairings. But would anyone have bought 'Silver Nemesis' if it wasn't paired with a Tom Baker serial?
I disagree with some other points. I thought the 'Invasion' animations were very well done and, while they can never be a substitute for the actual episodes, at least give us an ''idea'' what they were like. That is why I am very disappointed with the rejection of the 'Shada' animation. Certainly it can never be seen as a real substitute for what might have been, but it at least gives us a very good idea of what the finished serial would have been look, and helps the story to flow properly.
My main problems with the DVDs are two things. One related to the programme and one to the features.
The programme one is that there is a difference between '''restoring''' episodes, and '''changing them'''. I must give full praise to the RT for their work in restoring the picture quality etc. However, like others, I have no interest whatsoever in all the new CGI. In fact, many DVD players will forever be reminding you that there is an alternate effects option EVERY TIME these are there! And of course the infamous Revelation blunder. It's not the fault of the DVD players. It's the fault of the RT. Many people are unable to simply enjoy the programme uniterrupted precisely because of the new CGI!
I have also been dumbfounded by the ability of the documentary makers to turn a highly interesting subject into something that tempts me to skip ahead. Examples include the dull Missing Episodes feature from 1998 that appears on 'Lost In Time' and the 'Wilderness Years' feature on the Special Edition of the Mcgann TV Movie. You'd THINK these would be subjects that couldn't help but keep you fascinated, and you'd be wrong.
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Post by George D on May 17, 2012 0:10:18 GMT
Im neutral regarding the redone spfx as long as they do include the originals.
I do enjoy extras if done well. I would love to see more interviews with the remaining stars if done right. Granted, most have shared their memories in the past, however it would be great to preserve them in HQ video, and good interviewer, like me, might have a little success in bringing things to mind that havent been asked before.
I do appreciate animations and telesnap recons. The telesnap recons appear more realistic, yet action scenes do not translate as well.. The animated have more a cartoon feel yet the scenes which have movement are more easy for me to visualize.
Im thinking the future will be technology where telesnaps can be animated which will be best of both worlds. The future I would really like is 106 episodes being found, but Im realisticaly not expecting that.
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Post by John F Brayshaw on May 17, 2012 2:07:03 GMT
George, we all hope the 106 are found ~ but I'll take animations for the time being which could be a few more years in the making....
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Post by arnold t on May 17, 2012 22:35:14 GMT
im not on this forum for a couple of days and and apparently ive showed a lack of gratitude and social skills over wanting a few seconds of a cgi skarasan  . |
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Post by George D on May 17, 2012 23:10:48 GMT
Dont worry arnold.. youre ok in my book |
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