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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Mar 28, 2012 14:52:20 GMT
She may have resung it at the end, like Eurovision winners do nowadays?
Or maybe a rehearsal?
The colour appears to be the main performance, I think....good old Johnny Harris.
Gordon Roxburgh will probably know.
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Post by markjhaley on Mar 28, 2012 17:55:00 GMT
There were uniquely 4 winners of Eurovision the year Lulu sang 'Boom Bang A Bang Bang' It's a distant memory of mine but I remember all 4 acts sang their song again at the end of the show. I guess Match Of The Day started late that night.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Mar 29, 2012 7:33:04 GMT
""It's a distant memory of mine but I remember all 4 acts sang their song again at the end of the show.""
Exactly my theory...............so, the b/w version on youtube would be the 'end' version, as Johnny Harris would only be introduced for the first one....
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Post by markg on Mar 29, 2012 10:56:33 GMT
It's a distant memory of mine that I got sent to bed before the end of the voting.
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Post by Gordon Roxburgh on Mar 29, 2012 14:59:55 GMT
I see Ray has mentioned my name when it comes to Eurovision...so let's see if I can clarify the situation. The black and white clip shown on the Lulu documentary recently of her performing "Boom Bang-A-Bang" is from Top Of The Pops of 6/3/69 which only exists on a domestic video recording returned from Lulu's own collection, and has been covered in other messageboards (along with editions of the Lulu series from 1969). The Youtube clips of her performing Boom Bang-A-Bang at the Eurovision Song Contest, can be found in either black and white or colour. Not all television stations had colour television in 1969, so they exist in either format. Indeed the BBC only broadcast the 1969 contest in black and white. (Though the BBC hasn't retained their broadcast version). The Youtube clips can be from either of her performance during the contest, or her winning reprise. There were four winners in 1969 and all were reprised, and yes, the programme did overun as a consequence! I'm delighted to announce that there are a series of books coming out soon, which I have written called "Songs For Europe - The United Kingdom at the Eurovision Song Contest" and includes many details of what exists in the archives, as well as interviews, voting breakdown etc. The first volume covering the 1950s and 1960s will be available in May from Telos Publishing. www.telos.co.uk/
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Mar 29, 2012 15:09:48 GMT
Thank you Gordon - so the b/w version on youtube, although it obviously comes from a continental broadcaster, will it have been the same feed the BBC used? Presumably the colour feed was only used in Germany and any other countries that had colour? ??
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Post by Gordon Roxburgh on Mar 29, 2012 15:41:26 GMT
The Youtube versions will have come from continental broadcasters. TVE the Spanish broadcaster which hosted the 1969 contest, only broadcast the contest to their own domestic audience in B&W. They had to use colour TV equipment borrowed from Germany to be able to broadcast it internationally in colour over the Eurovision network. TVE is certainly one of the broadcasters who have retained their B&W recording, while Scandinavian broadcasters like Sweden and Norway were generally quite good at retaining the colour feed, and it is usually these versions that are doing the rounds on YT etc. I'm sure some other broadcasters may well have kept either the B&W or Colour feeds. Though the BBC didn't retain their B&W feed.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Mar 29, 2012 15:56:18 GMT
So...........effectively, the b/w feed, as there were separate ones for monochrome and colour, is the same one the Beeb would have had, and, like TITJ, shot with different cameras!
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Post by Richard Marple on Mar 29, 2012 17:36:16 GMT
I did read a few years ago that the only surviving copy of the 1969 ESC was a timecoded copy with commentry in one of the Scandinavian langages.
Has a better quality copy being found since, & does the BBC commentry soundtrack survive (was the same V/o used on radio)?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 17:55:37 GMT
I think i'm right in saying that 1964 is one of the very few (the only?) years where there is no full show surviving in any country. The rest survive in some form or another although the narration will vary from country to country even if the images are identical. If off-air audios exist, the UK version could conceivably be recreated by marrying these with the visuals from overseas copies.
The 1969 show will survive in broadcast quality colour in one of the scandinavian countries, as Gordon has already mentioned. The first colour year was 1968 and that similarly survives (the BBC, incidentally, repeated that years' contest in colour on BBC-2 shortly after the BBC-1 b/w transmission, although they didn't keep the tape afterwards!).
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Post by Gordon Roxburgh on Mar 29, 2012 20:28:04 GMT
Laurence is quite right that no copies of either the first contest in 1956, or the 1964 contest are known to exist in any European archive. Both however exist near complete on audio. Full details of what is known to exist on video/film, audio and telesnaps on both the Song For Europe and Eurovision Song Contest are included in my book! Excuse (yet another) plug for the book... www.telos.me.uk/searchResultItem.php?id=125
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Post by Nathan Dickel on Mar 30, 2012 10:03:22 GMT
The black and white one is a "reprise" i've found out, by flicking through the eurovision contest on youtube. She sung it twice.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Mar 30, 2012 11:30:14 GMT
The black and white one is a "reprise" i've found out, by flicking through the eurovision contest on youtube. She sung it twice. I was right! (smug grin).
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Post by markg on Mar 30, 2012 13:59:14 GMT
I was right first!
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Mar 30, 2012 14:10:52 GMT
Yes. Yes you were. So you can be as smug as me for being right about two different feeds. In 1969, converting a live O/B from colour to b/w would have been very difficult for the non-colour stations who were a part of the EBU....THEN THERE'S SECAM and PAL....Spain showed a b/w feed to its' domestic audience. Which the UK got as well, whereas West Germany and Sweden would have got colour, and France....I am unsure of.
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