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Post by tedster13 on Nov 27, 2011 15:12:15 GMT
I have been looking for evil of the daleks, which is lost now, at bbc, but as a least one lost dr who, was found on vhs in japan, i wonder if this one is still around.
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Post by Greg H on Nov 27, 2011 15:34:50 GMT
Would you care to elaborate on that please? I dont think ive heard that before
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Post by Steven Sigel on Nov 27, 2011 16:19:26 GMT
As far as I know, there has never been a lost doctor who episode found on VHS anywhere (unless you know something that we don't). All of the lost episode recoveries to date have been from 16mm telerecordings. (Color pertwees don't count - a) they weren't technically missing, and b) they were on betamax anyway).
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Post by Greg H on Nov 27, 2011 16:52:51 GMT
Thats pretty much exactly what I thought too Steven. Still, I would like to hear this chap's story anyway
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Post by Rob Moss on Nov 27, 2011 20:05:29 GMT
Oh come on, it's the guy's first post here, and he casually mentions a missing episode in Japan. Is everyone else's Cynic-o-meter broken today..?
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Post by Greg H on Nov 27, 2011 20:24:52 GMT
No, really guys, I think we should always hear these people out. Its kind of fun.
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Post by Anthony Clark on Nov 27, 2011 21:57:46 GMT
A find on VHS! Hmmm...
Do I smell a DG-style posting?
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Post by Greg H on Nov 27, 2011 23:41:08 GMT
I infer that it could possibly have been a 35mm VHS, the best kind.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Nov 28, 2011 1:24:19 GMT
Actually it must have been 50mm VHS (aka Quad)
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Post by Ross Mann on Nov 28, 2011 2:29:13 GMT
What about 75mm lol. Does anybody in Japan even know what Doctor Who is? I have heard a rumor about the first six episodes of "The Invasion" on an old VHS getting round Australia (the tape) I seem to recall some similar rumor from the UK. Poor quality visual aspect to the tape apparently, could this mean that there is a black market for missing who??? I've seen the Doco on Revenge of the Cybermen DVD about "pirate off air" (mostly from down here too!!) copies being swapped etc. amongst the privalaged fans, so who knows (somebody I'm sure) they're probably is a poor quality copy of The Invasion or The Power of the Daleks!! How long did the color (us spelling) copy of DWA the Silurians circulate among fan circles before it was well known about?? Just goes to show really.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Nov 28, 2011 6:29:58 GMT
Ross - if there was a Black Market in missing who, then someone would know about it. There's no way copies could be going around for years without a copy falling into the hands of someone who would either leak the information, or send it to the BBC. Rumors are just that, rumors.
There were plenty of pirate copies of EXISTING episodes around in the days before they were released on VHS or DVD, but that's a far cry from a missing episode floating around. The color pertwees, BTW, were well known to exist from the late 70s when they were recorded. If I recall correctly, Ian Levine arranged to have some of them recorded by someone in the US back then.
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Post by LanceM on Nov 28, 2011 9:12:58 GMT
Rumor indeed it sounds there in regards to a Black Market of missing who. You would certainly hope this is the case ( alerting the BBC ). However, if there were such a thing alerting the copyright holder of an item you illegally purchased might not be the best course of action. At least would think this might be the case here? I have myself know that two 1970 editions of Top Of The Pops ( in colour), and the 1970 Christmas Top Of The Pops (B/W) edition do indeed exist. I have seen small clips of stated material, so can vouch for this. I have been trying for a few years now to track down any further details there. But like the Men In Black do not officially exist, or are known about in wider circles as you would think may be the case. These enthusiasts would seem to transfer their material on refurbished VTR's. Have seen a Quad VTR in the UK for which a collector restored himself with an ex-Ampex engineer in London. Had two Quad tapes in the picture I was sent which were BBC, one from 1969!! ( As I was later able to deduce from the serial code on the side of the pictured reel, other was from the mid 80's as I recall).
Ian Levine did have a friend in the US record the Pertwee editions in around 1977 If I am recalling correctly here. Were on Betamax as I recall. Still wishing that fan had not taped over most all of Mind Of Evil however, a crying shame there. Hoping something can be done by the RT team there in time, after all the bugs have been worked out of course. The Unit Family footage for MOE looked stunning to say the least, hoping something can be done there in time( barring episode 1 of course, no chroma dots present ). Along with Ambassadors Of Death, two of my favorite Pertwee's hoping to see restored on DVD one day!! I still have a good deal of Betamax tapes with fan copies of Doctor Who episodes recorded on the East Coast ( US ). Still needing to get a Beta VCR which can handle the Beta II and Beta III formats, as mine is an older unit to appropriately view these. The first Sears Betavision VCR from 1978 ( came in original box no less ), still pulls tape like a champ! As the Mind Of Evil tape looks monochrome on my VCR, but was probably recorded on the Beta II or III format, so may have a colour signal present, still hoping to work that one out in time of course. Just when we thought had seen it all, something comes along disproving that notion, who is to say this may be any different? In the meantime everything of this nature should be treated as suspect till any definite info can be learned there. Feeding the Rumors never helps. Who can say with any amount of certainty a Black Who Market does or does not exist?
The Search Goes On...
Cheers, Lance.
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Post by Rob Moss on Nov 28, 2011 12:32:56 GMT
Lance, you should be able to tell whether your copy of The Mind of Evil is interlaced or deinterlaced. If the latter, then it is from a b/w film print, and there won't be any colour signal to recover. If it's an interlaced recording, then I'd suggest getting the tape to the Restoration Team so they can try and get a decent playback off it.
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Post by Rob Moss on Nov 28, 2011 12:39:18 GMT
What about 75mm lol. Does anybody in Japan even know what Doctor Who is? I have heard a rumor about the first six episodes of "The Invasion" on an old VHS getting round Australia (the tape) I seem to recall some similar rumor from the UK. Poor quality visual aspect to the tape apparently, could this mean that there is a black market for missing who??? I've seen the Doco on Revenge of the Cybermen DVD about "pirate off air" (mostly from down here too!!) copies being swapped etc. amongst the privalaged fans, so who knows (somebody I'm sure) they're probably is a poor quality copy of The Invasion or The Power of the Daleks!! How long did the color (us spelling) copy of DWA the Silurians circulate among fan circles before it was well known about?? Just goes to show really. In no particular order... Wanting their to be a copy of Power in circulation is a million miles from there being one, Ross. Until someone invents a Hope to Reality converter, of course. The tape of six Invasion episodes will have been the six existing episodes, not the first six episodes. As Steve says, the colour Silurians was known about before it was even transmitted, which is how come a copy was recorded.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Nov 28, 2011 18:26:12 GMT
What about 75mm lol. Does anybody in Japan even know what Doctor Who is? Three Pertwee serials - Silurians, Ambassadors, Autons (yes, in colour) - aired there in 1978, but on a private closed circuit channel, and a run of Tom Baker (and McCoy?) episodes played on a network in 1993. They also have the new series. gallifreybase.com/w/index.php/Japan
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