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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Jul 16, 2011 17:58:49 GMT
Oh dear! The Kinks at the BBC captions claimed that Sunny Afternoon was no 1 boths sides of the Atlantic! Sack that 20 year old researcher! It was number 1 both sides of the Atlantic, it was number one in Canada although the caption should of been more specific ;D ) Cut and paste jobs when the phrase boths sides of the Atlantic is googled. I rest my case M'lud! Downturn escalates on both sides of the Atlantic A dismal week for the world economy was rounded off yesterday with news that in 2008 the US suffered the most job losses since the Second World War, and UK manufacturing suffered its biggest slump in 28 years. American correspondent Dan Hollombe 'charts' the differences between the acts that scored hits in America and those that achieved success with the same titles in Britain. James Murdoch may face charges in both the UK and US. Photograph: Murdo Macleod James Murdoch and News Corp could face corporate legal battles on both sides of the Atlantic that involve criminal charges, fines and forfeiture of assets as the escalating phone-hacking scandal risks damaging his chances of taking control of Rupert Murdoch's US-based media empire. As deputy chief operating officer of News Corp – the US-listed company that is the ultimate owner of News International (NI), which in turn owns the News of the World, the Times, the Sunday Times and the Sun – the younger Murdoch has admitted he misled parliament over phone hacking, although he has stated he did not have the complete picture at the time. There have also been reports that employees routinely made payments to police officers, believed to total more than £100,000, in return for information. The latest hand-made amp to come out of the Gabriel Sound Garage is big on tone, but is quite the little baby. The 7 watt Gabriel Stinger continues the eye-catching bumblebee design of other family members and has been designed to recreate the vintage tones that helped shape rock 'n' roll using a combination of a single channel volume dial, one tone control, a master volume knob and some tube switching technology. Users can choose to dial in a sixties "Brit" sound or opt for home turf with the " Yank" option, or try a combination of both. The new amp will also let you up the volume but turn down the power output thanks to the inclusion of a variable voltage regulator.
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Post by Thomas Walsh on Jul 17, 2011 3:28:25 GMT
Eh..ok Kevin.. I thought the Dave doc was stunning. A beautiful piece in every way and I totally disagree with an earlier post about the odd gimmicky item used (Pete's Pinnochio moment). People do tend to forget that there was a LOT of great humour in The Kinks aswell as the often overstated seriousness. I think Julien Temple has made two completely definitive Kinks documentaries. For Christ sake look at what we had to go on before these wonderful programmes were made. I also get frustrated at the 'snippets' of clips in the docs but once you accept that you're NEVER going to get full clips of home movie footage and TV appearances in that enviroment then I think the enjoyment level shoots up. It's opportunities like 'Kinks At The BBC' that can get the blood boiling..... I've said it once but f**k it I'll say it again.....'The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society' is now regarded as not just The Kinks greatest record but one of the greatest records of all time. Not just by critics and journos but by other artists and fans in general. To jump from 1966 to 1970 with the availability of the 'Julie Felix' clip is abhorent.....truly insulting actually and I really think an explanation of why they did jump the greatest 4 years in this bands career is needed. Laurence could you find out why? To even placate the on-screen blurb writers and their obsession with making hip comparisons and comments they could have referenced 'Green Day' robbing the entire song melody and structure of 'Picture Book' for a single of their's a few years back or made the reference to the worldwide TV ad that used it recently. Anyway..the docs were glorious and the 'Sunny Afternoon' clip was beautiful to see but again.....WHY NOT JUST DUB THE AUDIO? The wobble was funny for about 2 seconds but when it kept going and actually got worse it took away from the enjoyment for me. Why not just dub the bloody audio?? 'Have a cuppa tea' was wonderful as was 'Apeman'. Is it possible though that the use of the 'Felix', 'Almanac' and 'Wonderboy' clips in the docs is down to Ray and Dave? Maybe Julien Temple didn't source them directly from the Beeb? Ok..rant over. Overall I had permanent goosepimple bone for 4 hours or so only losing it once when Metallica came on in the Ray documentary to prove to me that music can be as frustrating and horrid as well as beautiful and spiritual. GOD SAVE THE KINKS.....!! ;D T.
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Post by ajsmith on Jul 17, 2011 9:28:00 GMT
Hey Thomas, Re: the Pinocchio moment: I don't think I'm being humourless to think it was naff. Obviously I'm aware of the Kinks own ribald sense of humour but I'd rather see that represented in something they did themselves (like the "SOMETHING BUMMY GOING ON HERE"! clip in the Ray doc). rather than as a computer graphic coldly concocted in the edit suite. Also given Pete's recent passing it just felt a bit off having his image distorted like that, it wouldn't have jarred with me nearly so much if he was still around. That said, I'm sure the real Pete wouldn't have cared at all- after he died a fan shared a story of visiting his house. She asked him to sign some photos, but instead he defaced them with schoolboyish smut like "you'll never guess where my finger is!"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 10:09:52 GMT
All in all I thought the "Kinks At The BBC" compilation was quite good, Sunny Afternoon was a surprise even with the dodgy audio track, the footage was in good nick and understandably they didn't show the TOTP 1966 clip because of the awful quality (I'm assuming Dave Davies Death of a Clown is in the same state). Nice for the 'Apeman' footage to get an airing too, has this been shown since it's original broadcast? Lola has been shown numerous times on TOTP2 but I cannot recall Apeman ever being shown. Another bonus was there was no logo on the "Kinks At The BBC" compilation The Dave Davies "Death Of A Clown" TOTP clip is not broadcast quality, so I can perfectly understand why it wasn't used in the "Kinks At The BBC" (although it'd be possible to use short clips in docs). There was no excuse not to use the Julie Felix performance (in full) though as it exists in pristine quality, as do the Wonderboy / Almanac clips. The '60s was undoubtedly The Kinks' greatest decade but material on offer from that era in the compilation was very sparce. These appearances would have filled the gap perfectly. Come Dancing would have been a good place for the programme to stop, had they offered more material from the band's golden years prior to this. All the '90s / 00's material added nothing to the programme or the band's legacy. I do honestly feel that the BBC still regard pop music as not that important, which is why we get programmes like this that are poorly researched, with clips like the Sunny Afternoon one with slurring sound (which, as has been said already, would be easy to re-dub). They fulfill a function to make new programmes that utilise what's in the archives but that's all.
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Post by nicadare on Jul 17, 2011 13:14:13 GMT
Anyway..the docs were glorious and the 'Sunny Afternoon' clip was beautiful to see but again.....WHY NOT JUST DUB THE AUDIO? The wobble was funny for about 2 seconds but when it kept going and actually got worse it took away from the enjoyment for me. Why not just dub the bloody audio?? T. But that would of taken all of... 5 minutes. www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrTaVNlVWcQ
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Post by Thomas Walsh on Jul 18, 2011 2:20:53 GMT
Great stuff Nic.....!! :-)
T.
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Post by Rich Cornock on Jul 22, 2011 21:22:11 GMT
1997 was a long time ago, maybe they would want them now especially as they have more channel space to fill
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Post by Alan Turrell on Jul 23, 2011 7:56:48 GMT
I think i'm right in saying that there is footage for every hit single the Kinks had , what a brilliant dvd this would make .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 8:59:26 GMT
As the BBC didn't want those clips back (worrying), the question is are they safe wherever they currently reside?
The Kinks' hits are well represented visually (although many by overseas TV, it has to be said) but a few do seem to be missing. There looks to be nothing contemorary for Dedicated Follower Of Fashion or Victoria (not that the latter was a huge hit), for instance.
There could be a great DVD set if someone would go to the trouble of clearing all the different sources and putting it together properly!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 9:38:29 GMT
So there is a clip for 'Supersonic Rocket Ship', their last substantial chart entry in the 70's?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 9:43:20 GMT
I've never seen one, no. Beat Club or something like that might be the only hope, if they promoted it there (?). I did read something about a film promo for the song being recorded but have never seen it if so.
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Post by Alan Turrell on Jul 23, 2011 10:32:07 GMT
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Post by Alan Turrell on Jul 23, 2011 10:36:42 GMT
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Post by ajsmith on Jul 23, 2011 11:37:29 GMT
The Kinks didn't promote Supersonic on Beat Club. I think Top of the Pops was the only TV for that one. I would bet money that a better quality copy of the Supersonic Rocket Ship promo video is out (or in) there somewhere.. Ray Davies personal archive should be the first place to check! No contemporary Tv survives for Dedicated.. which is frustrating as later performances are done in that acoustic singalong style.. there is no known footage of the Kinks performing the heavier single arrangement. It's known that Ray's friend/media personality/Private Eye cartoonist Barry Fantoni directed a promo film for Dedicated.. I suspect that this is the video posted above. It doesn't feature the Kinks but seems especially made for the song. Some Kinks refererence books have referred to a Dedicated video featuring the band "ducking in and out of boutiques", but my suspicion is that they're just inferring that and that no such film was ever made.
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Post by ajsmith on Jul 23, 2011 11:48:55 GMT
Btw, just to clarify: this (as posted above) is what I believe is the contemporary, Barry Fantoni directed Dedicated video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2_83YL0gM0 It's take in excerpt here from the 1995 doc "I'm Not Like Everybody Else" and I'm not aware of a complete version having surfaced. Maybe the complete version featured the band at the end even. It should not be confused with this www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXaO3zgaf5Q&feature=fvwrel as used in some 80s Kinks documentarys, which was clearly put together from archive footage/photos years after the fact. (a great deal of the footage used is from later than spring 1966!)
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