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Post by felixdembinski on Mar 28, 2011 18:03:55 GMT
I'd be more excited if something like Galaxy 4 or The Mythmakers turned up, as we know so little of what they looked like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 18:52:12 GMT
It has to be The Power Of The Daleks; The Evil Of The Daleks or The Web Of Fear for me although as with all Doctor Who longer than four episodes (and it is even a problem with a lot of those) the things will draaaaaaagggggg in places. Great minds think alike! Those are the three i'd most like to turn up as well. I saw Power and Web originally and seem to think Web cracked along at a brisk pace with lots of atmosphere (it had a great director too!) so I reckon it'd stand up well now, compared to a few other lesser missing stories that maybe wouldn't.
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Post by B Thomas on Mar 28, 2011 22:59:24 GMT
Not really - most of the Pertwees were junked too... But the Pertwee era isn't still missing over sixty episodes. All of Pertwee's episodes exist on video in one form or another. If Patrick Troughton had stayed and filmed a season or two in color, then more countries would have been buying those stories. Seasons 7 and 8 can be presented as audio or video because people wanted color shows instead of black and white. The same can't be said for seasons 4 and 5. The point I was trying to make there was that even if Troughton had stayed on there would be no guarantee that those episodes would still exist today - even if they were made in colour. Master VTs of episodes produced from 1970 - 1978 were still being routinely wiped without being telerecorded (many overseas stations were transmitting BBC colour shows from VT - either PAL or NTSC). The fact that we still have copies (colour or not) of every Pertwee episode is sheer luck that some overseas stations returned the tapes. Even the film recordings (like NZ's versions of Spearhead and Silurians) were destroyed rather than returned (1984 in NZ's case). This does not guarantee that copies would have returned in an alternative reality where Troughton stayed on into the colour years... I can't believe I was sad and anal enough to even address this dubious issue but whatever...
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Post by simonashby on Mar 29, 2011 0:07:50 GMT
But if those NZ Pertwee episodes were junked in 84, the surely that's a non-point. NZBC would have known that the BBC already had them and were therefore redundant.
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Post by B Thomas on Mar 29, 2011 10:21:02 GMT
But if those NZ Pertwee episodes were junked in 84, the surely that's a non-point. NZBC would have known that the BBC already had them and were therefore redundant. Not really - the NZ example was an illustration of the situation not the rule to prove any point.
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Post by LanceM on Mar 29, 2011 19:19:14 GMT
Very Interesting there in regards to the NZ prints junked in 1984.Understand there after reading the responses on that issue.
However,of course as in the case of Tomb Of The Cybermen (Where no further Doctor Who Episodes were stated to be) were recovered.As they had stated to not having any further material in Hong Kong. Similar situation for The Final Test t/r which was found on past ABC TV property I believe.In a manner similar to the ex-BBC/then Mormon Church finds in the past.For example,I have seen off air 1/2in open reel video recording transfer from NZBC in 1971.Featured part of a televised Bee Gees concert there.As know material of interest was being screened in around this time,would hope (as this also went to illustrate) that as that displayed there,that there were indeed people videotaping TV then in New Zealand in around this timeframe.Am optimistic,with that being said,may be a possibility of possibly finding some off air Doctor Who recordings in New Zealand?
Cheers,Lance.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Mar 30, 2011 3:24:37 GMT
Very Interesting there in regards to the NZ prints junked in 1984.Understand there after reading the responses on that issue. However,of course as in the case of Tomb Of The Cybermen (Where no further Doctor Who Episodes were stated to be) were recovered.As they had stated to not having any further material in Hong Kong. Similar situation for The Final Test t/r which was found on past ABC TV property I believe.In a manner similar to the ex-BBC/then Mormon Church finds in the past.For example,I have seen off air 1/2in open reel video recording transfer from NZBC in 1971.Featured part of a televised Bee Gees concert there.As know material of interest was being screened in around this time,would hope (as this also went to illustrate) that as that displayed there,that there were indeed people videotaping TV then in New Zealand in around this timeframe.Am optimistic,with that being said,may be a possibility of possibly finding some off air Doctor Who recordings in New Zealand? Cheers,Lance. If you'd reword all of that into some form of recognisable English, I might be willing to answer.
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Post by B Thomas on Mar 30, 2011 7:54:57 GMT
Very Interesting there in regards to the NZ prints junked in 1984.Understand there after reading the responses on that issue. However,of course as in the case of Tomb Of The Cybermen (Where no further Doctor Who Episodes were stated to be) were recovered.As they had stated to not having any further material in Hong Kong. Similar situation for The Final Test t/r which was found on past ABC TV property I believe.In a manner similar to the ex-BBC/then Mormon Church finds in the past.For example,I have seen off air 1/2in open reel video recording transfer from NZBC in 1971.Featured part of a televised Bee Gees concert there.As know material of interest was being screened in around this time,would hope (as this also went to illustrate) that as that displayed there,that there were indeed people videotaping TV then in New Zealand in around this timeframe.Am optimistic,with that being said,may be a possibility of possibly finding some off air Doctor Who recordings in New Zealand? Cheers,Lance. If you'd reword all of that into some form of recognisable English, I might be willing to answer. ;D
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Post by LanceM on Mar 31, 2011 4:51:32 GMT
My apologies here everyone,somewhat of a jumble there.An elderly family member of mine passed on yesterday.Apologies if I am sounding somewhat confused there.Am sure can understand there in regards.
Also, in regards to my previous posting this was the point I was attempting to illustrate. As the past return of Tomb Of The Cybermen from Hong Kong goes to show. In that I remember Hong Kong had stated they had no further material of interest.Then this classic story turned up? I am not sure here, however recall that The Final Test was returned from ABC TV,after no further material of interest was stated to be about. Granted, there is a sizable time frame here between these finds.
As the recovery of Counter Plot and Escape Switch goes to show. That this instance here provides some chance (possibly?) to finding further material from ex-TV property?Just a thought there.
I also have been wondering lately as to the possibility of finding off-air NZBC Doctor Who recordings.As about a year or so ago now, there was a Youtube upload from a off-air NZBC Televised Bee Gees concert(clips-material) open reel video recording from 1971.I may be mistaken here(do not have the exact info on hand unfortunately) that now missing Doctor Who episodes were screened by NZBC in the early to mid 70's.As I was thinking this item does show that people were making off-air TV open reel recordings in NZ as early as 1971.Was hoping, as this item opens the possibility that material of interest may have been recorded on an early open reel VT or early VCR there, possibly? I hope this revised response here is making more sense than my previous posting.
I would be very interested to hear your thoughts there Jon.
Cheers,Lance.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Mar 31, 2011 5:17:49 GMT
But if those NZ Pertwee episodes were junked in 84, the surely that's a non-point. NZBC would have known that the BBC already had them and were therefore redundant. My understanding is that only Spearhead was junked because it was a redundant b/w copy. Silurians was sent to London in case the prints were better copies than those already held; eps 2 and 3 had censor cuts to them so would presumably have been dumped. Jon
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Post by Jon Preddle on Mar 31, 2011 5:38:58 GMT
I also have been wondering lately as to the possibility of finding off-air NZBC Doctor Who recordings.As about a year or so ago now, there was a Youtube upload from a off-air NZBC Televised Bee Gees concert(clips-material) open reel video recording from 1971.I may be mistaken here(do not have the exact info on hand unfortunately) that now missing Doctor Who episodes were screened by NZBC in the early to mid 70's.As I was thinking this item does show that people were making off-air TV open reel recordings in NZ as early as 1971.Was hoping, as this item opens the possibility that material of interest may have been recorded on an early open reel VT or early VCR there, possibly? I hope this revised response here is making more sense than my previous posting. Is there a link to that Bee Gees clip? The final set of Troughton episodes to air in NZ were The Wheel in Space, in September 1971. I doubt early reel-to-reel recording devices existed in NZ except by someone very wealthy. And if they did, it's doubtful they'd have recorded Doctor Who! Domestic VCRs first came onto the market in NZ in 1980/81.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2011 9:08:30 GMT
Surely there must have been U-Matic machines from the '70s onwards at the very least though, Jon? Not quite in '71, mind (1972 here in the UK, I think), but that's aside from a number of other formats that were in existence before that date.
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Post by LanceM on Apr 1, 2011 3:28:04 GMT
I was able to source that clip for you Jon.It was posted on YouTube some time ago,however the account has now been terminated.However,I was able to find the same clip (even has the now-defunct account ident before the clip starts).It was posted on a Bee Gees fan website: beegees.multiply.com/video/item/166This is what I had been thinking as well there in regards to early VCR's in NZ?Learn something new every day! Would be most interested to hear your thoughts after seeing this material Jon. By the way,the material being performed is as follows: "To Love Somebody" "Jingle Jangle" "Words" "How Can You Mend a Broken Heart?" (partial) Am most interested to hear what is thought here. Cheers,Lance.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Apr 1, 2011 5:35:06 GMT
I was able to source that clip for you Jon.It was posted on YouTube some time ago,however the account has now been terminated.However,I was able to find the same clip (even has the now-defunct account ident before the clip starts).It was posted on a Bee Gees fan website: beegees.multiply.com/video/item/166Thanks, Lance. I will see if I can find an airdate for this broadcast. Jon
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Post by JeffL on May 24, 2011 23:49:05 GMT
I think some of the missing Dalek stories are more likely to show up than others, mainly because the Daleks were such cultural icons, it seems that any collector who got his/her hands on an original recording would have targeted Dalek stories to add to their collections.
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