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Post by William Martin on Aug 11, 2003 15:48:58 GMT
the gas attack was in the bbc broadcast in the uk in 1968 but was removed from the australian broadcast so the Australians never saw it. fortunatly the australians kept the bits the censors cut out.
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Post by ASM on Aug 12, 2003 8:39:18 GMT
Dear William Thank you VERY MUCH for your input. I absolutely definatly remember that scene back in 68. Where as now we may not find it THAT scary. Remember back in 68 all the gore/horror/slash what have you hadent yet de-sensetised viewers so a scene like that really stuck. A series like "THE INVADERS" was scary back then, whereas todays viewers would not find it very strong. This is why I so distinctly remember "Fury" Regards ASM
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Post by Paul Hayes on Aug 12, 2003 14:22:55 GMT
Hello ASM,
It seems to me that you seem to have gotten confused somewhere along the line and believed that somebody claimed the 'gas attack' was cut from the UK 1968 broadcast of the story.
This is not the case and nobody has ever said this. The gas attack was cut by the Australian censors and recovered from the censor archives in 1996.
If it had been cut by the BBC before original transmission, there is certainly no way that it could have ever existed today, let alone reached Australia!
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Post by Steve Roberts on Aug 12, 2003 14:27:36 GMT
Mark asked me to pop in and try to clarify the situation regarding the Fury finds.
There are effectively three sets of film to consider:-
1) The so-called Australian Censor cuts. These were all scenes that were transmitted in the UK in 1968, but subsequently cut out of the prints transmitted in Australia. They consist of the infamous Oak and Quill breathing gas sequence, some shots of Van Lutyens being killed by the weed creature and sundry shots of Robson with weed on his arms, considered too scary by the Australian censors. These sequences were recovered in 1996 and can be seen on 'The Missing Years', part of 'The Ice Warriors' boxset.
2) Tony Cornell's 8mm in-studio film. Tony was a designer at BBC Ealing studios who shot two films behind the scenes on the filming of 'The Evil of the Daleks' and 'Fury from the Deep', the latter shot on 8mm colour film. The film is of the weed creature attack on the control room in part six. Again, a poor quality section from this film can be seen on 'The Missing Years'.
3) The film trims. This is the newly recovered film, discovered at Windmill Road by Andrew Martin, in an old can of waste film originally intended to be re-used as filler material for film editing purposes. It is 16mm camera original negative shot at Ealing studios during the same recording block that Tony Cornell shot his 8mm film. The new film consists of trims from the studio shoot - ie versions of scenes which were not used in the final programme because they subsequently did a better retake, or the beginning and end of the shots that they did eventually use. Because of the nature of the film trims, none of the material is that which actually made it into the programme, although some of the shots may well be for all intents and purposes very similar to the later takes which were used. The film is mute.
I hope this clarifies the situation somewhat.
Steve
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Post by ASM on Aug 12, 2003 14:29:15 GMT
Hello Paul Confused? perhaps, i'm just glad my memory has held up. All i can reiterrate is for me "Fury From The Deep" was just about the scariest Dr Who story I'd ever seen, hence it burnt into the memory, particulary the Oak & Quill scene. ASM
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Post by William Martin on Aug 13, 2003 15:48:57 GMT
yes I supose it was a bit much for the time and in a show that was safe for kids to watch, still I used to watch it even though I did find it a bit unerving at times. still the sfx let it down a bit but as tom baker used to say why shouldn't the stone walls shake on another planet?
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Post by Mark Brown on Aug 16, 2003 19:12:21 GMT
Thanks Steve, much apreciated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2003 18:31:35 GMT
Have you seen what adric looks like now ?? mmmmmm bet they wouldnt kill him off now !!!!!!
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Post by Canadian Guy on Oct 24, 2003 4:12:32 GMT
Hello, I am asking this question on several different sites in order to get the right information about it. I have been a viewer of Doctor Who for many years. I have a question and I thought you might be able to confirm it for me. I was suprised to read on the BBC website that Episode 3 of the Doctor Who story "Planet of the Daleks" does not exist in the BBC Archives in colour. I have a colour copy of Episode 3 of "Planet of the Daleks" in my personal video collection. It is an episode I recorded many years ago when it was broadcast here in Canada. I feel that since I have been a viewer of Doctor Who, I should try to give a copy of it to the BBC so that the story can be in its original complete colour form. It would need to be transferred from the NTSC North American format to the PAL British format, but I think I read in Doctor Who Magazine that this has been done before (for "The Demons"?) But I do indeed have the colour copy. I am suprised noone else has found it. I sent a similar e-mail to the BBC's Archive Treasure Hunt page, but I haven't received a reply yet. Is that the best page to contact the BBC about this? Is it still working? Anyway, I am looking for information from a knowledgable Doctor Who source in the meantime. This is the website where I found this information, but I suspect you are probably aware of it. www.bbc.co.uk/cult/treasurehunt/help/index.shtmlSo is Episode 3 of Planet of the Daleks in colour still missing? I was surprised to see that the video has been released with Episode 3 in black and white. I have it in colour so I had assumed it had been found by now. Is it still currently missing? Thank-you. I will check back later.
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Post by Canadian Guy on Oct 24, 2003 7:02:53 GMT
After checking at the restoration and technical site, it seems that I may have an edited and restructured copy, and not the "real" Episode 3, although it begins in the right place according to someone, but some of it is not right. I will haveto research it further.
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Post by Harry on Oct 24, 2003 14:30:57 GMT
Well, even a restructured ep 3 is possibly of use as a reference in restoring the colour to that ep when the time comes, i'd have thought.
The restoration team would still be intreested in getting a copy for that eventual use. Contact Steve Roberts at their site. It's still valuable material that hasn't surfaced elsewhere (if not a hoax - we've had a lot of those here, so forgive my cynicism!)
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Post by William Martin on Oct 24, 2003 16:08:40 GMT
Hello, I am asking this question on several different sites in order to get the right information about it. I have been a viewer of Doctor Who for many years. I have a question and I thought you might be able to confirm it for me. I was suprised to read on the BBC website that Episode 3 of the Doctor Who story "Planet of the Daleks" does not exist in the BBC Archives in colour. I have a colour copy of Episode 3 of "Planet of the Daleks" in my personal video collection. It is an episode I recorded many years ago when it was broadcast here in Canada. I feel that since I have been a viewer of Doctor Who, I should try to give a copy of it to the BBC so that the story can be in its original complete colour form. It would need to be transferred from the NTSC North American format to the PAL British format, but I think I read in Doctor Who Magazine that this has been done before (for "The Demons"?) But I do indeed have the colour copy. I am suprised noone else has found it. I sent a similar e-mail to the BBC's Archive Treasure Hunt page, but I haven't received a reply yet. Is that the best page to contact the BBC about this? Is it still working? Anyway, I am looking for information from a knowledgable Doctor Who source in the meantime. This is the website where I found this information, but I suspect you are probably aware of it. www.bbc.co.uk/cult/treasurehunt/help/index.shtmlSo is Episode 3 of Planet of the Daleks in colour still missing? I was surprised to see that the video has been released with Episode 3 in black and white. I have it in colour so I had assumed it had been found by now. Is it still currently missing? Thank-you. I will check back later. you will find, as we have, that the bbc is strangley reluctant to take back missing material but this is a fantastic peice of news and proves our theory that there is much more to find and that most people do not know what they have do you have any other british tv on video? and what sort of video machine was it U-Matic perhaps and what year did you get it?
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Post by Ryan O on Oct 24, 2003 19:55:17 GMT
Have you seen what adric looks like now ?? mmmmmm bet they wouldnt kill him off now !!!!!! Hmm. Interesting comment. Do you mean by that there is a current interview with Matthew Waterhouse and that he looks good-looking or is a hunk now or something? I saw a pic of him in Doctor Who Mag a few years ago when he did the Tardis Tin 20 Questions thing around the time he was playing the role of Hamlet. What does he look like now? I never had a problem with Adric the way some fans did. I thought he looked quite nice in the pants he wore, and there are some scenes in Castrovalva when he is in the Master's Web in which he looks quite excited.
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Post by Adam James Smith on Oct 25, 2003 15:15:25 GMT
Isn't it probable that this "restructured" copy of Episode 3 is in fact Episode 4 re-titled Episode 3? Aamzing but true, but a 5-part Planet of the Daleks was actually re-sold abroad, without the monchrome part 3, but with Part 4 re-titled part part 3 and 25 minutes of lot missing!
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Post by Canadian Guy on Oct 26, 2003 4:16:07 GMT
Isn't it probable that this "restructured" copy of Episode 3 is in fact Episode 4 re-titled Episode 3? Aamzing but true, but a 5-part Planet of the Daleks was actually re-sold abroad, without the monchrome part 3, but with Part 4 re-titled part part 3 and 25 minutes of lot missing! Yes it turns out that it is Episode 4 retitled as Episode 3. I later learned this on the technical restoration forum so it is good to discover this sooner rather than later. If I had known that part first I wouldn't have posted about it. I have heard about hoaxes too. I think they are discussed in the passage on missing episodes in "25 Glorious Years". But that is because someone in the 1980's in Australia or NZ set up a false post office box and had fans send in money for the episodes that didn't really exist. So unless someone is asking for something in exchange, there is probably not much to worry about. And as I am a law student, I don't approve of fraudulent activity myself. Anyway, someone wrote to me and told me that lots of Doctor Who episodes that were the only ones that existed in colour were found in Canada and sent back to the BBC when the main searching went on in the 1980's. It would be good if more material could turn up in Canada at some point.
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