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Post by Brian Fretwell on Jan 10, 2010 20:50:16 GMT
I thoroughly enjoyed this as I knew I would, although the bits that slightly left me cold were the BSB stuff and some bits of Look, Hear which seemed to drag a bit for me. Some bits of the latter were storming, others seemed a bit stilted - like the 1976 TOTP. I have to admit to having a fetish for ANY kind of 60s b/w VT, so of course Time For Blackburn and the '67 TOTP stuff was absolute nirvana for me. I don't care how much the tape sticks and jams, I could sit through any amount of such problems to see the bits that ARE good - and indeed the bits of tape that had not turned to mush looked damn near perfect. Maybe with some careful ironing and/or baking (not to say it hadn't been done already) the currently unplayable sections could be rescued a bit further. The quality of many of the bits show that the underlying signal quality is excellent. And as already mentioned, nice to see where Fluff's nickname came from! I'd love to see more of 'Lordship', and perhaps this one episode can give us hope that other episodes are floating around somewhere. Sadly it was of my opinion that it appeared to be too substandard in condition for effective colour recovery to take place. But then again, maybe that's something a bit of wetgating and Spriting will fix (I don't know just how sophisticated the BFI's telecine facilities are or how much time they have to spend on telecine - unless of course, as has happened before, the NFT projected it directly off the actual film - it has been known, despite it seeming to be a bad idea where the materials are fragile). I asked Dick Fiddy afterwards what format the 67 TOTP was on and he told me 1" domestic. I didn't have time to ask about the baking as he was heading off at the time. As for colour recovery on 'Lordship' from the front row I could see no sign of any colour information, but Richard Russel has said that recovery from a print is unlikely, they have only got passable results from HD Scans of original film recorder negatives, printing lowers the information too much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2010 20:56:37 GMT
Thanks for that info, Brian. Excuse my ignorance but what format is 1" domestic? I know of 1" broadcast, as used from about 1982 onwards.
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Post by markboulton on Jan 10, 2010 23:05:36 GMT
Probably a Philips EL3400 or similar, like the one on this page: www.rewindmuseum.com/reeltoreelvideo.htmApparently this model rebadged as "Peto Scott" was a common sight within the education sector, but I also recall reading many forum posts a few years ago where Peto Scotts were mentioned frequently as having been used for making internal copies of production material at the time, as were Shibadens a few years later.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2010 10:14:55 GMT
Thanks for the link! So is 1" domestic something like a Sony CV-2000 then? If so, I was thinking though that the undamaged sections of the recordings looked far better than any domestic recordings i've seen that were made at that time (e.g. Sony CV-2000), taking into account too that it was an optical copy with the screen line structure visible etc.
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Post by Peter Stirling on Jan 11, 2010 11:48:45 GMT
I maybe wrong?
but I think the scenario was this..
the 1 inch refers to the Sony C format, which was used extensively for pop promos in the 1980s.
when the Sony 1' was the new kid on the block, old tapes of historical intrest were routinely transfered to 1' so that they could be used in comtemporary programmes and of course save them from further decay. The old Pink Floyd tape was possibly transfered to Sony 1' and the results recorded as seen.
So I believe what you were seeing was a broadcast quality 1' inch (rather than a domestic tape) of an old tape 'with issues'.
maybe wrong?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 11, 2010 12:29:33 GMT
So I believe what you were seeing was a broadcast quality 1' inch (rather than a domestic tape) of an old tape 'with issues'. maybe wrong? I'm afraid you are. This was an off-air compilation tape recorded at the time onto (as others have said) a Philips or Peto Scott recorder. Yes, it was one inch, but lots of manufacturers had one inch recorders around that time including Sony. The Sony system (and this wasn't a Sony recording) was eventually adapted into the 'C' format we now know, but it started life as 'A' format. The original VPR-2 machines were all 'A' format but that wasn't an accepted broadcast standard; Sony were very clever and provided an adaptor kit so you could turn your 'A' format machine into a 'C' format machine. This though was indeed a domestic one inch recording although by someone who had the funds to purchase one for his own pleasure! Regards, Paul
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Post by Peter Stirling on Jan 11, 2010 15:05:26 GMT
very interesting.
Cheers Paul i stand corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2010 15:27:35 GMT
Yes, thanks Paul. The quality (when the tape was playing ok) seemed much better than usual '60s domestic format video, that's all.
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Post by Christopher.C on Jan 11, 2010 20:09:45 GMT
Brian mentions baking the tape and I was pondering if more could be extracted from the fast decaying master with another pass? This is bearing in mind that It's a tricky process and that the tape is pretty poor anyway and there will be limits to how much can be recovered. I was reminded of the Peladon episode that was notoriously difficult to play back in the '80s but was found (to great surprise by all concerned) to yield better results on a more recent attempt.
Was the salvage via electronic methods or optical? I presume the former.
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Post by davemachin on Jan 12, 2010 17:08:25 GMT
I was sitting looking at the screen on Saturday and thinking the same thing to myself, Chris. Will the technical persons make any more attempts to extract further small fragments from that very valuable tape? It's always worth a try I think, bearing in mind the rarity of those items.
Dave
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