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Post by Bob Savage (robstar) on Oct 28, 2009 16:49:47 GMT
It looked like an off air recording but very watchable. The Southern archive didn't survive very well apart from the news part which was taken over by TVS and then i think Meridian
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Post by Mick A on Oct 30, 2009 20:58:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2009 7:00:42 GMT
I get the feeling the Lulu recording was probably made by her then husband Maurice Gibb. He was a big gadgets freak and definitely had a home VT recorder in January 1969 since he recorded the famous Lulu show with Jimi Hendrix and after the show, they all went back to his place to watch it. The fact that The Bee Gees are also on that edition strengthens it, so seems Lulu managed to keep hold of the tape. I'd often wondered if any of Gibbs' recordings had survived or not. I don`t think Maurice Gibb taped the Happening for Lulu show clip that survives , i think that was taped by a BBC engineer .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2009 8:34:04 GMT
Yes, seeing as the Hendrix clip is broadcast quality and anything taped at home by Gibb would look a lot fuzzier on a home recording. I don't know how these stupid myths get established as they don't make any sense if people think them through properly!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2009 9:22:53 GMT
I know very well that the Hendrix performance on Lulu's show was not sourced from Maurice Gibb's home VT collection! We all know how that performance was found on a VT in the mid 70's by some BBC engineer who saved it from being wiped.
All I was doing was pointing out the fact that Gibb had a home VT recorder and had taped that Hendrix edition to simply suggest that these new Lulu show recoveries were possibly recorded by him. Not once was I suggesting that Gibbs recording is the source of the performance we've all seen on various BBC shows over the last 30 years or so! Read again what I wrote and you'll see it concludes that I'd long wondered if any of Gibb's home VT recordings had survived or not which I think suggests knowledge and proof he was not the source of the Hendrix material we've all seen.
I was just using deductive logic based on Fact to guess how these Lulu discoveries may had come into being. Lulu and Gibb were living together, married that year, Gibb owned a home VT unit so what could had been more natural than taping some TV shows featuring his wife for his and/or her amusement or reference?
So I'm a little unhappy to be accused of spreading "stupid myths" and that I don't "think them through properly."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2009 10:07:02 GMT
That was a general comment about myths and half-truths that get posted on forums and not directed at anyone personally. It helps to develop a sense of humour about these things! ;D
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Post by Pete Seaton on Oct 31, 2009 11:21:39 GMT
The Hendrix on the Lulu show was shown during OGWT 11/05/76 introduced by whispering Bob Harris. this gem of a perf fell into my hands a couple of years ago, intact from that show with the intro and outro from Bob, came from the same place as TOTP Xmas 1969
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2009 12:09:00 GMT
Yes, all from Bob Pratt's collection. Gratitude to you, Bob!
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Post by Paul Dorf on Oct 31, 2009 13:40:48 GMT
yes that hendrix footage wasnt found till 1976 & discovered by accident when going through a 2" quad tape of something else & it popped up at the end. obviously there was alot of excitement at the discovery so it was shown specially on the whistle test for the first time since first tx.
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Post by harveywilliams on Nov 3, 2009 12:22:12 GMT
So, are the 67 part editions "VT" quality? Also, does anyone know what sort of state the recovered March 1969 edition is in? From the Lost Archives thread: "The 1" videotape of the TOTPs is an optical conversion from 405-line 2" original recording."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2009 13:39:27 GMT
Although the '67 shows are from a 1" dub of the 2" original, the the '69 edition is from a domestic CV-2000 reel so the quality / recording characteristics will be different on that one.
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Post by James C on Nov 3, 2009 20:06:18 GMT
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Post by Dick Fiddy on Nov 10, 2009 20:16:57 GMT
Clarification of what survives of those 1967 TOTPs that we have recovered. From the 6th and 27th July programmes we have:
Pink Floyd - See Emily Play* Monkees - Alternate Title (Peter Whitehead promo) Beatles - All You Need is Love (Our World performance) Procol Harum - Whiter Shade of Pale* Turtles - She'd Rather Be With Me* Dave Davies - Death of a Clown* Alan Price Set - The House That Jack Built* Tom Jones - I'll Never Fall in Love Again Beatles - All You Need is Love (promo film)
The condition of the tape I'm afraid was very poor so the quality is not great - picture roll and drop-out occur throughout but every now and then there is a near-pristine 30 second or so section which makes the whole thing worthwhile. This find is so valuable though that despite the condition, the tems above marked with an asterix will be shown at the upcoming Missing believed Wiped event at BFI Southbank on January 9th (second session 6.30) - the other material is either extant elsewhere or too scarred to screen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2009 20:55:23 GMT
Many thanks for these details, Dick. Tragic that the quality is so bad but better than nothing. I'll make certain i'm at MBW, that's for sure!
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Post by davemachin on Nov 11, 2009 9:59:59 GMT
I can't make this gig, I'm afraid, Dick. I would love to see the Top Of The Pops recoveries though. When you say picture rolling, how bad is this? Is it possible to reduce or minimise this with a Dr.Who type of restoration on the material? These seem like gold dust recordings and warrant some attention to them to try and make them at least acceptable viewing. Just a thought.
Dave
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