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Post by Leighton on Jul 24, 2003 22:39:16 GMT
According to the bbc treasure hunt site they are missing episode 7 of series 2 of the goodies broadcast on 12-11-71. The first 2 series are the ones that have suffered with many eps only in b/w that are available. Can anyone shed light on what happened to them? Leighton
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Post by geeef23 on Jul 25, 2003 0:19:01 GMT
The missing episode is the original version of Kitten Kong , which isnt too serious since it was remade for as an entry for the Montreaux festival...though quite a few of the scenes were quite different, so it would be very interesting to compare the two versions if a copy ever turned up ( there have been rumours that a b/w film print existed but...well). The missing episodes will just be due to the usual reasons, it's lucky that there aren't more non-extant. The b/w episodes were returned from either Auz or NZ (cant remember which). They have been edited, but it's possible the censored material still exists...there were clips of otherwise missing Dr Who episodes that turned up this way; but The Goodies doesnt have the same kind of fanatical fanbase that leads to people following this up I guess. Not sure if the Goodies "A Christmas Night with the Stars" contribution exists in its entirety, and there are some missing sketches from the Englebert Humperdinck show I believe...though many of these were shown as "A Collection of Goodies", which I am keeping my fingers crossed will be on the next DVD.Here's hoping. The only b/w Goodies episode that is really hard to find is the Playgirl club episode.It wasnt shown on UK Gold unlike the other b/w ones, and I have heard it said that there is some problem with the film or somesuch. Anyone know any details?
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Post by Matthew K Sharp on Jul 25, 2003 2:41:17 GMT
The two series 2 episodes that exist in B/W were returned from Australia. The ABC had bought the first 2 (possibly 3) series on 16mm for transmission in 1973/4. They re-purchased colour tapes for a repeat run in 1976, but by that time several of the colour tapes had been wiped/lost/mislaid/eaten, and so the ABC continued to show b/w prints of those episodes. The ABC's contract was re-negotiated in 1980 for a reduced package of episodes (based on what the BBC themselves still had on offer), and all repeat runs from May 1980 onwards omitted these and several other episodes.
When Channel 7 bought the rights in 1986, all the Goodies material held by the ABC was shipped to Seven. In the process of checking the shows, three of the shows were found to be on 16mm b/w and were deemed untransmittable (and were probably not contractually licenced anyway). These were put to one side, and when the ABC regained the rights in 1987, these were not sent back with the rest of the tapes.
These three episodes, incidentally, were "Army Games", "Commonwealth Games" and "Come Dancing". "Caught In The Act" has not been screened in Australia since 1974.
A Goodies fan working at Seven found the films, realised what they were, transferred them to tape and then had them returned to the BBC.
"Come Dancing" is not edited as far as I can tell; "Commonwealth Games" is. Potentially, as noted above, the excised bits may still exist in the Australian Archives, but it has not, to my knowledge, been checked. I would, but I'm 1000kms away and have never had the time available to hang around in Sydney for a couple of weeks to do so.
"Army Games" of course exists in colour anyway. Quite why it wasn't supplied to the ABC in 1976 is unknown.
A b/w videotape recording of "Come Dancing" was located a few years back, which would be better quality than the 16mm print.
The fault with the "Caught In The Act" print is apparently audio distortion, although it doesn't sound too terrible to me.
The whole show of Christmas Night With The Stars '72 exists in its entirety. Clips of the Goodies segment have been featured in several Xmas shows over the years and a roughly edited compilation of these clips has been traded about.
Of the 13 inserts for the Englebert show, 5 exist in "A Collection Of Goodies". There were only 1 or 2 unique sequences that have gone missing; the remainder of the inserts were extracts from actual Goodies episodes. The BBC have one Englebert show, the Goodies insert of which is in "Collection". The Englebert show was a co-production with ZDF in Germany; whether they have copies of the shows has not, to my knowledge, been confirmed.
And finally, Kitten Kong. Both versions were available to broadcasters on 16mm b/w film and colour VT. It is thought that ABC only bought the Montreux remake on 16mm. Certainly they only had the remake on colour tape.
I have seen a reference on BBC paperwork to a screening of the original Kitten Kong in Wales in May 1972 - after the Montreux version had been made - but this may not be correct as the list was quite vague in other areas.
I hope this is of some interest.
MKS
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Post by David Brunt on Jul 25, 2003 11:39:43 GMT
>> I have seen a reference on BBC paperwork to a screening of the original Kitten Kong in Wales in May 1972 - after the Montreux version had been made - but this may not be correct as the list was quite vague in other areas. <<
It certainly wasn't shown in May 1972 (just checked the RT) although they were running the season from the end of that month (pre-empted from the normal BBC1 repeat screenings by a week or two).
It was due to be shown the first week of Wimbledon (on BBCW anyway), though was missing in the rescheduling.
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Post by Matthew K Sharp on Jul 28, 2003 2:32:20 GMT
>> I have seen a reference on BBC paperwork to a screening of the original Kitten Kong in Wales in May 1972 - after the Montreux version had been made - but this may not be correct as the list was quite vague in other areas. << It certainly wasn't shown in May 1972 (just checked the RT) although they were running the season from the end of that month (pre-empted from the normal BBC1 repeat screenings by a week or two). Try May 31st 1972. The BBC-1 run started 4 May and went for 13 weeks on Thursdays at 8pm (pre-empted by BBCW) - apparently the Montreux edition was used instead of the orginal Kitten Kong. But the listing I have from the BBC F&VTL gives 31/5/72 as the sole repeat date for the original KK episode. I only have access to Radio Times for London, so the only detail I have is that there is a billing for The Goodies on 31/5/72 on BBCW, but no info on which episode. MKS
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Post by David Brunt on Jul 28, 2003 9:22:54 GMT
The BBCW 31 May 72 screening has the billing for the Ronnie Stevens 'Pollution' episode....
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Post by Jason on Jul 28, 2003 23:19:33 GMT
Bit of an off-topic question relating to the Goodies, but the title sequence starts with a giant Dougal in a maze - what episode was this from? I used to watch the Goodies on UK Gold (too young really to catch it first time around on BBC1) and have also just bought the DVD but don't recall ever seeing this in an actual episode.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Matthew K Sharp on Jul 29, 2003 5:09:42 GMT
The BBCW 31 May 72 screening has the billing for the Ronnie Stevens 'Pollution' episode.... "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice... Does anyone know if there would be PasB documents for BBCW that might settle it either way? MKS
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Post by Matthew K Sharp on Jul 29, 2003 5:10:56 GMT
Bit of an off-topic question relating to the Goodies, but the title sequence starts with a giant Dougal in a maze - what episode was this from? "The Goodies Rule - O.K?" - 1975 Christmas special (50 mins, all made on film). MKS
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Post by Jason on Aug 1, 2003 15:48:14 GMT
Thanks for the reply Matthew.
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Post by dubs on Aug 2, 2003 23:38:05 GMT
Of the 13 inserts for the Englebert show, 5 exist in "A Collection Of Goodies". There were only 1 or 2 unique sequences that have gone missing; the remainder of the inserts were extracts from actual Goodies episodes. The BBC have one Englebert show, the Goodies insert of which is in "Collection". The Englebert show was a co-production with ZDF in Germany; whether they have copies of the shows has not, to my knowledge, been confirmed. Am I correct in saying the missing segments are "The Country Code" (spoof PIF) from 5/3/72 and "Bodyguards" from 26/3/72 which features the Oddie song "One More Chance"? Also has anyone made enquiries to ZDF to see if they retain copies of the Hump shows? Thanks Matthew.
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Post by Scott McLauchlan on Sept 24, 2003 5:45:55 GMT
"Come Dancing" is not edited as far as I can tell; "Commonwealth Games" is. Potentially, as noted above, the excised bits may still exist in the Australian Archives, but it has not, to my knowledge, been checked. I would, but I'm 1000kms away and have never had the time available to hang around in Sydney for a couple of weeks to do so. Someone better check fairly soon then, as there are indications the Australian Archives only keep these film segments for 30 years, and then they're destroyed. We must be coming fairly close to the 30-year mark already. Scott.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Sept 24, 2003 12:40:48 GMT
The BBC should indeed have PasB documents relating to BBC Wales opt-outs (probably as addendum at the end of the regular pages). So the info on the Goodies repeat should be in there somewhere.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Sept 26, 2003 9:29:23 GMT
Does anyone know if there would be PasB documents for BBCW that might settle it either way? BBC Wales certainly holds a full set of their own PasB's. However, they have no library, so the only way you can get them to do a search for information is to pay them...
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