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Post by Michael on Jul 21, 2003 21:14:48 GMT
Using colourised black and white film, begins on Channel 5 on Wednesday at 9pm.
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Post by john g on Jul 22, 2003 9:17:43 GMT
makes you wonder what goes through these producers's minds? if anything human at all. This is blatant commercialisation of a hideous appalling subject.
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Post by Nick Cooper on Jul 23, 2003 9:20:56 GMT
makes you wonder what goes through these producers's minds? if anything human at all. This is blatant commercialisation of a hideous appalling subject. There is actually some genuine experimental colour footage from 1918, but only a parade of US soldiers through Paris. This series, however, relying as it does merely on arbitrary colourisation, is effectively worthless on any level other than morbid fascination.
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Post by john g on Jul 23, 2003 11:14:03 GMT
I am certainly not against the process, i am sure Fireball Xl5/ Space Patrol et all could look quite amazing.
As you say in this case it is quite worthless. Where is the integrity of these people?!!!! why are we not doing their job?!!!!!
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Post by Andy Henderson on Jul 23, 2003 14:11:59 GMT
"There is actually some genuine experimental colour footage from 1918, but only a parade of US soldiers through Paris. This series, however, relying as it does merely on arbitrary colourisation, is effectively worthless on any level other than morbid fascination."
That footage, Nick is from the Victory Parade and was filmed in Gaumont Chonochrome, a full colour additive process. The colours are as accurate as can be and they are not colorised.
There were other rather nasty colour films made before this, notably a Kinemacolor (additive) film on V.D (around 1915) - this is now lost.
There is footage of Concentration Camps in colour. This being 8mm (probably Agfacolor) shots of Dachau taken on a visit by a local Baker (circa 1940) and the same camp taken by George Steven's film crew after liberation (on 16mm Kodachrome).
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Post by ASKay on Jul 23, 2003 22:46:23 GMT
Excellent idea -thanks for suggesting it
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Post by john g on Jul 24, 2003 15:17:10 GMT
Excellent idea -thanks for suggesting it pay me the money and you can all the inspiration you obviously need
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Post by William Martin on Jul 28, 2003 17:43:42 GMT
all the british uniforms are the same colour all the mud is the same shade of brown, it may be computer colourised but its only the same as hand tinted, only not as good. as for the victory parade was that made using a rotating colour wheel, or was it 2 films with colour filters?
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Post by Andy Henderson on Jul 29, 2003 22:11:30 GMT
a 3 lens camera with the images stacked on above the other
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Post by Brian Fretwell on Jul 29, 2003 22:25:15 GMT
Other things aside I tought some of the paler sequences resembled stencil or hand coloured films of the period. I don't know if anyone did stencil colour war film but I suspect not as it would have taken too long for news footage.
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Post by William Martin on Jul 30, 2003 15:55:51 GMT
there was some news reel footage of WW1 shown once in about 1915/16 with film of real trenches mud shell holes and bodies but the government banned such footage from then on . the rest of the news reels of action were fake(in the UK at least)that included dead or dying and I think some were hand coloured because they had plenty of time to do it .
there was also one disc recording of the noise of a gas shell barrage(british against the germans from the british side) in 1918 that is the only genuine sound of ww1 combat, although the officer in charge of the gun did ham it up a bit and some sound fx were added at a later date because the gun didn't sound loud enough. but it is still a genuine recording fom the first world war.
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Post by Brian Fretwell on Jul 31, 2003 18:12:54 GMT
Saw the second Ep last night (off VHS) it looked as if the 16fps silent film had been transfered repeating ever other frame giving very jerky notion. If they are colouring it couldn't they have done a motion estimated speed conversion (and some de-bobbing) as well?
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Post by Nick Cooper on Aug 4, 2003 10:57:13 GMT
there was some news reel footage of WW1 shown once in about 1915/16 with film of real trenches mud shell holes and bodies but the government banned such footage from then on . the rest of the news reels of action were fake(in the UK at least)that included dead or dying and I think some were hand coloured because they had plenty of time to do it . Can't remember the exact title, but that sounds like the footage of the Battle of the Somme, which I think is available from the Imperial War Museum. Some of the "action" was re-staged immediately after the Battle, but a lot of it was real. It provoked a public furore, not so much because it apparently showed real dead British soldiers, but because most of the public wasn't aware of just how bad things were on the Western Front. Plenty of real footage was subsequently shot and shown to the public (e.g. the use of tanks at Cambrai and a lot of Paschendaele footage), but editing was much more cautious, showing only enemy dead.
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Post by William Martin on Aug 4, 2003 15:03:01 GMT
yes that rings a bell as far as the picture qaulity goes though they perhaps could have thougt about enhancing the images and smoothing the motion before colouring them, if your going to do something then you might as well do it well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2003 11:34:34 GMT
I am certainly not against the process, i am sure Fireball Xl5/ Space Patrol et all could look quite amazing. We had a long discussion about this at the Space Patrol Yahoo Group, and I colourised a test frame of Saturnians on their planet. My opinion was it looked gaudy. Others really liked it. I do tend to think though, that stuff shot in b/w should remain that way, and to be quite honest, the only reason stuff is being colourised is commercial exploitation.
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