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Post by SydV on Jun 7, 2016 11:10:16 GMT
If it ever does eventually see the light of day I anticipate being somewhat underwhelmed by it. It's a pity that they still felt under pressure to wear matching suits as late as 1966 when appearing in public, it would have been a far more unique and interesting piece of footage had John been wearing the rectangular orange shades and paisley shirt as seen on the Sullivan clips, yet in front of an audience. As it is, miming along in black & white in the same old suits, it probably wouldn't look that much different to the appearances on "Ready Steady Go" in 1964, the only striking difference being John's new guitar.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 7, 2016 13:31:43 GMT
If it ever does eventually see the light of day I anticipate being somewhat underwhelmed by it. It's a pity that they still felt under pressure to wear matching suits as late as 1966 when appearing in public, it would have been a far more unique and interesting piece of footage had John been wearing the rectangular orange shades and paisley shirt as seen on the Sullivan clips, yet in front of an audience. As it is, miming along in black & white in the same old suits, it probably wouldn't look that much different to the appearances on "Ready Steady Go" in 1964, the only striking difference being John's new guitar. I'm not underwhelmed by anything Beatles or TOTP-related that's wiped and turns up. It's missing history, and most of the time (especially in the case of this), it's most definitely got decent visuals with two decent tunes (let's not forget 'Rain', which was also played....)
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Post by robertreinstein on Jun 9, 2016 21:40:17 GMT
I'll watch anything music related that was broadcast in the 60s. Like Ray said, it's missing history.
And I would certainly welcome a chance to view the Beatles TOTP appearance from 1966! It's the Beatles!
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Post by SydV on Jun 10, 2016 9:11:33 GMT
As a coupling, Paperback Writer b/w Rain is one of their finest singles, yet in terms of UK sales I think it was one of the very weakest despite them pushing it on the most watched pop TV show with a unique live appearance. In that respect I'd be very interested to see it. Was it, as would have been fairly typical of the time, a detached and relatively uninterested performance? I'd be hoping for John to pull a face, maybe somebody to forget the words and have a laugh about it, but it would most likely be the set as much as anything else that would make it visually stimulating as there aren't too many examples of artists appearing against that backdrop.
I'd much rather see an early Granada appearance uncovered, "Yes it is" on TOTP or even the John and George RSG interview from '65, but the chances of any of those turning up are practically zero. The 66 TOTP is likely the only lost TV appearance we can now realistically hope to ever see again, so in that sense, it would be very exciting.
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Post by robertreinstein on Jun 10, 2016 13:59:51 GMT
As a coupling, Paperback Writer b/w Rain is one of their finest singles, yet in terms of UK sales I think it was one of the very weakest despite them pushing it on the most watched pop TV show with a unique live appearance. In that respect I'd be very interested to see it. Was it, as would have been fairly typical of the time, a detached and relatively uninterested performance? I'd be hoping for John to pull a face, maybe somebody to forget the words and have a laugh about it, but it would most likely be the set as much as anything else that would make it visually stimulating as there aren't too many examples of artists appearing against that backdrop. I'd much rather see an early Granada appearance uncovered, "Yes it is" on TOTP or even the John and George RSG interview from '65, but the chances of any of those turning up are practically zero. The 66 TOTP is likely the only lost TV appearance we can now realistically hope to ever see again, so in that sense, it would be very exciting. Indeed. The Eamonn Andrews Show from '65 with Ticket To Ride and Yes It Is does circulate on audio. I once heard of an appearance on TV that had them singing Eight Days A Week, but do not recall what show that was. I think the best chance we have of seeing some of these things would be via home 8mm films that we could sync audio to.
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Post by simonwells61 on Jun 10, 2016 21:03:05 GMT
I must say that I have heard so many rumours about it over the years, I am wondering if it is indeed just legend . A few people who I know who are close to Apple etc, have told me that they are not aware that it was ever presented to Apple and heavily doubt its existence. So who do we believe? The one thing that excites me more than anything is that The Hollies clip from the same show still exists which would hint that maybe it exists. I think a few of us here are close to the "inner circle" of Beatles collectors, and I would be interested if they can confirm what there opinions are. From what I know,(and for what it is worth) I've never heard of anyone (or knowing someone) who has a copy.
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Post by robertreinstein on Jun 11, 2016 3:00:08 GMT
From what I know,(and for what it is worth) I've never heard of anyone (or knowing someone) who has a copy. Same here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 12:28:06 GMT
I read a description of it on t'int one time a few weeks ago, written by Mark Lewisohn, but I can't remember where I found it ...
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Post by Gary Critcher on Jun 11, 2016 23:13:02 GMT
'....despite them pushing it on the most watched pop TV show with a unique live appearance.' But wasn't it mimed? The music wasn't 'live' at all, from what I've heard. Was it a 'live' vocal?
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Post by robertreinstein on Jun 12, 2016 2:22:08 GMT
'....despite them pushing it on the most watched pop TV show with a unique live appearance.' But wasn't it mimed? The music wasn't 'live' at all, from what I've heard. Was it a 'live' vocal? The vocal was probably not live, but this was one appearance that was not pre-taped without an audience.
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Post by SydV on Jun 12, 2016 8:32:47 GMT
'....despite them pushing it on the most watched pop TV show with a unique live appearance.' But wasn't it mimed? The music wasn't 'live' at all, from what I've heard. Was it a 'live' vocal? The vocal was probably not live, but this was one appearance that was not pre-taped without an audience. It was a unique live appearance (rather than a live performance) in the sense that it was broadcast live, as it happened, it wasn't pre-taped. So if the audience went out of control and got onto the stage, viewers would have seen it, they couldn't have done a re-take. But this was a BBC studio audience so I suspect there was very little (if any) screaming and no shots of fainting or weeping girls, the crowd probably just attempted to dance to what couldn't really be described as particularly dance-able tunes (the backing to "Paperback Writer" stops dead at several junctions whilst "Rain" would have felt like a real dirge to people then only used to more upbeat numbers or ballads), so I guess this appearance gave the first solid impression to the British public that Beatlemania was on the wane and therefore did little to boost disappointing sales of the single, another reason why this would be interesting footage to view, if it really does exist. Hope it does, but I wouldn't be expecting to see something as powerful and exciting as The Rolling Stones performance of "Satisfaction" on RSG that same year.
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Post by Scott Douglas on Jun 12, 2016 11:34:04 GMT
The episode exists. Sadly the collectors who have it are well aware of its worth and it is unlikely to surface in our lifetime. I hope I am proven wrong though. The original is a telerecording. The reel changed hands many years ago.
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Post by ajsmith on Jun 12, 2016 12:02:22 GMT
As a coupling, Paperback Writer b/w Rain is one of their finest singles, yet in terms of UK sales I think it was one of the very weakest despite them pushing it on the most watched pop TV show with a unique live appearance. In that respect I'd be very interested to see it. Was it, as would have been fairly typical of the time, a detached and relatively uninterested performance? I'd be hoping for John to pull a face, maybe somebody to forget the words and have a laugh about it, but it would most likely be the set as much as anything else that would make it visually stimulating as there aren't too many examples of artists appearing against that backdrop. I'd much rather see an early Granada appearance uncovered, "Yes it is" on TOTP or even the John and George RSG interview from '65, but the chances of any of those turning up are practically zero. The 66 TOTP is likely the only lost TV appearance we can now realistically hope to ever see again, so in that sense, it would be very exciting. Indeed. The Eamonn Andrews Show from '65 with Ticket To Ride and Yes It Is does circulate on audio. I once heard of an appearance on TV that had them singing Eight Days A Week, but do not recall what show that was. I think the best chance we have of seeing some of these things would be via home 8mm films that we could sync audio to. 'Eight Days A Week' was on 'Thank Your Lucky Stars', along with which they also did 'Ticket To Ride' and 'Yes It Is'. Here's how it looked:
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Post by ajsmith on Jun 12, 2016 12:05:55 GMT
I must say that I have heard so many rumours about it over the years, I am wondering if it is indeed just legend . A few people who I know who are close to Apple etc, have told me that they are not aware that it was ever presented to Apple and heavily doubt its existence. So who do we believe? The one thing that excites me more than anything is that The Hollies clip from the same show still exists which would hint that maybe it exists. I think a few of us here are close to the "inner circle" of Beatles collectors, and I would be interested if they can confirm what there opinions are. From what I know,(and for what it is worth) I've never heard of anyone (or knowing someone) who has a copy. The Kinks appearance from that edition also exists! ('Sunny Afternoon') It turned up in collector circles in the early 90s in VHS dub quality. I strongly suspect it was sourced from a tape of the full (or partial) edition that also had The Beatles footage on it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMHfYLZS4cI
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Post by simonwells61 on Jun 12, 2016 21:35:22 GMT
The episode exists. Sadly the collectors who have it are well aware of its worth and it is unlikely to surface in our lifetime. I hope I am proven wrong though. The original is a telerecording. The reel changed hands many years ago. If we won't be able to see it in our lifetimes, then surely the collectors won't be able to profit from it in theirs! What I would say though is that when it does, eventually, fall out of copyright then I imagine it will surface. But I am surprised that at the very least - a screen grab - hasn't even surfaced. By the way, what many consider to be another holy grail John Lennon's "Kenwood" 67 home movies has generated two screen grabs. I wish there was something a bit more concrete on the '66 TOTP than just conjecture!
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