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Post by JOHN SMITH on Jul 9, 2008 10:28:44 GMT
Hi everybody. In order to possibly sway any decision making regarding how we, the fans, would like to see Doctor Who celebrated for its 50th Anniversary. We need to start as soon as possible. Notwithstanding some kind of special film or whatever (along the lines of The 5 Doctors) featuring every available actor alive who has played the role, plus as many available assistants, and the favoured enemies (Daleks/Cybermen/Master/ etc). Which in my opinion, would NOT work, because too many Doctors/Assistants/Enemies WOULD spoil the broth. What EVERYBODY would love to see most of all would be a missing episode, or even more than 1, turn up between now and then so that it/they could be released onto DVD to mark the 50th anniversary. But since it is unlikely, I believe what most people would like to see instead would be at least 1 story 'completing' using CGI/Animation or whatever, that is currently 'incomplete'. So using the poll above. Let's tell the BBC what WE would like to see 'complete'. And please tell whoever you know to drop by here and vote too. The more people that vote, the more the BBC may listen There are many stories that are incomplete, but realistically I believe any 'winner' would come from the ones listed above which are either historically important, feature the 1st appearance of some of the favourite monsters or are such a great epic. I have set the poll to run for 5 years, because the longer the better. And PLEASE, only vote ONCE otherwise what's the point of having a poll. Thankyou
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Post by Rich Cornock on Jul 9, 2008 17:14:30 GMT
nice idea
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Post by fishman on Jul 9, 2008 20:48:19 GMT
I'd prefer Fury From the deep to any of the above, but voted for Master Plan, Power, and Evil. (Maybe they could make them a box set !)
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 10, 2008 9:21:28 GMT
I'd prefer Fury From the deep to any of the above... If the poll is only going to include the stories that speople think people are "realistically" going to vote for, then it's skewed from the start! Richard
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Post by JOHN SMITH on Jul 10, 2008 11:18:29 GMT
I'd prefer Fury From the deep to any of the above... If the poll is only going to include the stories that speople think people are "realistically" going to vote for, then it's skewed from the start! Richard I tried to include EVERY story in the poll, but could not put more than 8 fields which is why I only included the stories which seem to be the biggest fan favourites of the missing ones. If anybody can say how to include more than 8 then I will amend the poll.
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Post by Alex Dering on Jul 10, 2008 13:21:08 GMT
I question how unlikely it is that more episodes won't be returning.
Look at it this way. Take a hypothetical 23-year-old living in London in 1963. New show comes along and this guy falls in love with it. It's just fantastic. He starts collecting episodes. Either buys a very expensive VCR, or cobbles his own version together by filming the screen and tape recording simultaneously, or befriending someone at the BBC to make him copies, etc. Young men do this sort of thing: collect stuff. Books, CDs, whatever.
All of that's speculation of course, but it isn't bizarrely far-fetched.
In either case, this guy, born in 1940, would now be 68. Possibly he's in a field where he really can't admit to having been a fanboy of Doctor Who. Or he doesn't want to admit how he got the episodes. Maybe he's moved on to other interests and simply hasn't been told of the importance of those boxes of film in his attic.
The people in the 40+ crowd are the only ones who recall, clearly, the days of when missing a program meant missing it forever. I think that for those people, say, the group born before 1975, there's a conditioned response that the VCR and DVD and TiVo generations lack: the viceral want to capture that episode if possible.
I'm still going to side with the people who think that someone out there, maybe several someones, or some small library or film society, has quite a few of these episodes tucked away somewhere.
Has the BBC ever had a PSA right before a Doctor Who episode? Something where the Doctor says something to a companion about the TARDIS databank being incomplete and then the two actors break character and address the fourth wall: "In the 1970s, the BBC discarded many episodes of some of Britain's most loved shows, including Doctor Who. The BBC would like them back: absolutely no questions asked. They'll even give you back the original after they've run off a copy." etc.
I think the BBC ought to hold out something non-monetary that would get the fans drooling. Who wants a Dalek? I could make one if I had to. I say offer a stand-in part in an episode of a program of the person's choosing for any missing episode of any program. Don't tell me you wouldn't part with a reel for that.
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Post by John Fleming on Jul 10, 2008 13:31:44 GMT
A stand-in part, nice idea, wish I'd thought of that one. Your collection dies with you, this gives you immortality. Might work.
As for the poll, I'd like "The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve" but it wasn't listed.
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Post by Greg H on Jul 10, 2008 13:44:00 GMT
I question how unlikely it is that more episodes won't be returning. Look at it this way. Take a hypothetical 23-year-old living in London in 1963. New show comes along and this guy falls in love with it. It's just fantastic. He starts collecting episodes. Either buys a very expensive VCR, or cobbles his own version together by filming the screen and tape recording simultaneously, or befriending someone at the BBC to make him copies, etc. Young men do this sort of thing: collect stuff. Books, CDs, whatever. All of that's speculation of course, but it isn't bizarrely far-fetched. In either case, this guy, born in 1940, would now be 68. Possibly he's in a field where he really can't admit to having been a fanboy of Doctor Who. Or he doesn't want to admit how he got the episodes. Maybe he's moved on to other interests and simply hasn't been told of the importance of those boxes of film in his attic. The people in the 40+ crowd are the only ones who recall, clearly, the days of when missing a program meant missing it forever. I think that for those people, say, the group born before 1975, there's a conditioned response that the VCR and DVD and TiVo generations lack: the viceral want to capture that episode if possible. I'm still going to side with the people who think that someone out there, maybe several someones, or some small library or film society, has quite a few of these episodes tucked away somewhere. Has the BBC ever had a PSA right before a Doctor Who episode? Something where the Doctor says something to a companion about the TARDIS databank being incomplete and then the two actors break character and address the fourth wall: "In the 1970s, the BBC discarded many episodes of some of Britain's most loved shows, including Doctor Who. The BBC would like them back: absolutely no questions asked. They'll even give you back the original after they've run off a copy." etc. I think the BBC ought to hold out something non-monetary that would get the fans drooling. Who wants a Dalek? I could make one if I had to. I say offer a stand-in part in an episode of a program of the person's choosing for any missing episode of any program. Don't tell me you wouldn't part with a reel for that. People have been suggesting this for quite some time. A few 30 second publicity shots about the plight of the archives might do wonders for the situation, but the BBC dont seem to be interested at all. Pity, but thats how it seems to stand. But it is a really nice idea, having the current cast do a little skit about it, it would really raise awareness about the sad state of 60s who in the archives. Even a pic of them holding a 16mm film can whilst they breifly explain..................
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Post by Greg H on Jul 10, 2008 13:46:23 GMT
Back on topic though, its fairly unrealistic to expect DMP to be animated, too many episodes and too much cost. Its probably one for the fans. Its more realistic to expect something like tenth planet or the ice warriors to be completed with animations! (if they do another one that is)
I would personally like to see a remake of web of fear with original dialogue, live action actors, and as much attention to detail as possible. Wont ever happen though!!
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Post by JOHN SMITH on Jul 10, 2008 14:02:43 GMT
Yes, nice idea about a walk on part. But realistically it's harder to give some 70/80 year old such a part. And I think they would want to appear for more than just a couple of seconds.
As for 'Massacre', sorry, but as stated there was only room for 8 stories so I chose ones that stand a better chance. Massacre is a good story, but with all due respect, I don't think it is one that would end up top of the pile even if it were listed. Hopefully you picked some others instead.
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Post by JOHN SMITH on Jul 10, 2008 14:16:45 GMT
It's sometimes said that maybe the bbc could be more active too. For instance putting some kind of advert before or after an episode or two, along the lines of. 'We hope you enjoyed this episode of Dr Who. Unfortunately due to a number of reasons, 108 early episodes of this series, along with many other early bbc programmes were supposedly destroyed. Sent to land fill sites in skips. However, some may have been 'rescued' from the skips before being buried. Or some may have been 'mislaid' by ex tv employees. Some of these 'mising' programmes may therefore reside in attics/sheds/garages gathering dust. Maybe even in your own or that of a friend/relative. The return of any 'missing' material back to the bbc would be welcomed. For Dr Who there are even cash rewards on offer from various fans.'
However attractive this might seem, both to the bbc and to fans of Dr Who, it is however a non starter. Overseas the 'appeal' would probably be excised from the episode as an 'unpaid ad', and besides abroad and in UK it could come across as the bbc wanting people to 'break in and enter'.
As for TV archives in Africa. Would ITV let employees from the BBC rummage around in their archive, or vice versa'. No, thought not. So why should the BBC be let rummage around in some foreign TV station's archive, even if they wanted to look.
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Post by JOHN SMITH on Jul 10, 2008 14:23:03 GMT
Back on topic though, its fairly unrealistic to expect DMP to be animated, too many episodes and too much cost. Its probably one for the fans. Its more realistic to expect something like tenth planet or the ice warriors to be completed with animations! (if they do another one that is) I would personally like to see a remake of web of fear with original dialogue, live action actors, and as much attention to detail as possible. Wont ever happen though!! Aye, wouldn't we ALL like to see remakes of ALL the 'lost' stories. Like you say won't ever happen though. However onto DMP. Cost of CGI and animation comes down all the time as programmes/computer get better and more powerful. Who knows what might happen in just the next 6 months never mind the next couple of years. By then DMP might be easy peasy to animate/CGImate
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Post by JOHN SMITH on Jul 10, 2008 14:24:38 GMT
People have been suggesting this for quite some time. A few 30 second publicity shots about the plight of the archives might do wonders for the situation, but the BBC dont seem to be interested at all. Pity, but thats how it seems to stand. But it is a really nice idea, having the current cast do a little skit about it, it would really raise awareness about the sad state of 60s who in the archives. Even a pic of them holding a 16mm film can whilst they breifly explain..................[/quote]
Excellent idea. But realistically the BBC could only pull this off on Comic Relief day. Over to you bbc ................
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jul 10, 2008 15:29:07 GMT
The chances of any more dr. who episodes ever turning up are extremely low. Searching has been going on for 30 years and the law of dimimishing returns is playing here.
I will be amazed if we find even one more show in the next 10 years (I'd be very happy, but very surprised).
Animation looks like the only option to see these - but that will only happen if it becomes financially viable for the BBC to have it done - which at the moment, is not the case.
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Post by Stuart Huggett on Jul 10, 2008 16:42:28 GMT
If the poll is only going to include the stories that speople think people are "realistically" going to vote for, then it's skewed from the start! Richard I tried to include EVERY story in the poll, but could not put more than 8 fields which is why I only included the stories which seem to be the biggest fan favourites of the missing ones. If anybody can say how to include more than 8 then I will amend the poll. When you create a poll on these boards (or any Proboards site), there's a line of text below your inital 8 fields that states 'click to display more answer fields' - this will give you a total of 35 fields to fill in (you don't have to fill in all them though). However, you can't add more fields once your poll has been created, as far as I know.
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