macra terror exists

[Deleted]

I used to be in the cambridge/London Dr Who scene in the early 1990's and actually I hosted/organised "Mircale City" convention
with Aldred,Dicks,watling,Letts etc. Anyways there was a guy called Andrew Beech who was a solicitor who at one time was one of the leaders of DWAS. Apparently he had or had access to a copy of "The Macra Terror" This was well known to residents of a particular London pub that was frequented by Doctor Who fans at the time called The Fitzroy tavern. People like Gary Russell at that time he was editor of Marvel comics Dr Who magazine and Marcus aka Simeon Hearn who wrote for the aforementioned and lead a Who group in cambs of which I was a member. I haven't been involved in Who since the day after Miracle City Convention in 1994 but now licing in the USA I stumbled across the new series on the sci-fi channel so wondered if any missing episodes had since been found. Seems like a few have. Cool. But not the Macra terror huh ? I also knew of a guy called Nick in Wales who claimed to have one episode of "the Highlanders" but I never believed him I think he was after money. But the Macra Terror thing was like an open secret among DWM and DWAS people so I don't know if those folks are still active Whovians but if they are someone in the UK should catch up with them.

[Ash Stewart]

Any tale involving The Macra Terror leads me to think of the DWB/Skaro rumour of the early 80s that the story existed. Reading the above post, with the names mentioned, makes me think that this is a retelling of that same rumour.

I think the most likely explanation is that these rumours relate to the off-air 8mm clips which appear on Lost in Time. The early 80s, IIRC, was when they were acquired, and very few people had access to them. It would be very easy for people outside of that circle to get the wrong end of the stick and think that whole episodes were being talked about rather than just the clips.

And if you had a missing episode and were trying to keep it a secret, the last place you talk openly about it would be the Tav.

[tallrich]

I used to be a member of the Cambridge & London Doctor Who scene at exactly the same time. I can confirm this was a RUMOUR, which had no substance to it what so ever, in fact I was close friends with the chap that started off the rumour, it came from a group of fans who where talking about doing a recon of the story ...

I can confirm that the people mentioned in the original post do not have this material.

Also, a quick point, is it fair to name drop like you have Jerry ??, considering you are simply talking about yet another rumour ? I'm sure the people you have mentioned would not be happy about this !

[Deleted]

Tall rich. Yeah I think it is fair to mention names. Firstly if we are trying to find episodes then we need to put the information forward and be exact and investigate it. I don't think the nudeg nudge wink wink mentality helps anyone. Secondly Beech specifically has a sense of entitlement that bothers a lot of people. I could easily imagine him having a whole vault of missing episodes that he would not share for reasons to do with his own ego. I think it's pretty ironic that the rpize being offered by the beeb for missing episodes is a Dalek since Mr beech is currently the proud owner of such a Dalek. To be specific also since I have started I may as well say that it was a guy called Ian Richardson who told me about Macra Terror/Beech. He was the editor of a fanzine called "The Hourly Press" at the time and was friends with a guy called John Dorney who has since acted and written for Gary Russells audio stories. Both were close friends with Hearn and hung with Beech so it wasn't like a third hand rumour it was from people who could know. The thing that gave it credibility in my eyes was the fact Richardson was scared shitless that Beech would sue him if he told anyone per the conversation they had when the info leaked out. True or not ? Who knows but at least if I put names and dates out there you can check it out.

[Ash Stewart]

I still think it's the 8mm off-air clips; the explanation fits.

[LanceM]

Firstly, I agree that this is sounding like a rumor. But then again, some episodes have been located through rumor, or word of mouth. Don't I wish this story was true, from the audio soundtrack recordings that the BBC have released, it sounds like a very good story ( lncluding existing film segments ).

Secondly, there is also the option for the ammount that the dalek is worth for a reward. I was told that the cost for production of one of the new series daleks is around 2,000 GBP. So, there is that option as well.

Lance.

[Rob Moss]

jerryhart said:

Secondly Beech specifically has a sense of entitlement that bothers a lot of people.

Well, bothers you, anyway.

[John Negrych]

jerryhart said:

I used to be in the cambridge/London Dr Who scene in the early 1990's and actually I hosted/organised "Mircale City" convention
with Aldred,Dicks,watling,Letts etc. Anyways there was a guy called Andrew Beech who was a solicitor who at one time was one of the leaders of DWAS. Apparently he had or had access to a copy of "The Macra Terror" This was well known to residents of a particular London pub that was frequented by Doctor Who fans at the time called The Fitzroy tavern. People like Gary Russell at that time he was editor of Marvel comics Dr Who magazine and Marcus aka Simeon Hearn who wrote for the aforementioned and lead a Who group in cambs of which I was a member. I haven't been involved in Who since the day after Miracle City Convention in 1994 but now licing in the USA I stumbled across the new series on the sci-fi channel so wondered if any missing episodes had since been found. Seems like a few have. Cool. But not the Macra terror huh ? I also knew of a guy called Nick in Wales who claimed to have one episode of "the Highlanders" but I never believed him I think he was after money. But the Macra Terror thing was like an open secret among DWM and DWAS people so I don't know if those folks are still active Whovians but if they are someone in the UK should catch up with them.

Interesting that your only 2 posts on these boards would be to resurrect an old rumour....

[B Thomas]

As well as making potentially libelous comments. Prosecution can arise from posting on boards such as these too as information contained therein is "published". I would advise caution...

[Deleted]

As I know Andrew Beach very well, in fact I spoke to him on the phone this morning, I can assure you he does not have any rare footage of Macra or any other 16mm film clips. As he works for BBC worldwide and helps produce documentaries for dvd releases, I think it would be rather difficult for him to keep anything from the BBC and also as an employee of the BBC, witholding BBC copyright material would not help his career.
He is a fan who owns some daleks and other Who props but there are many collectors out there like him. If he did have access to any clip he would certainly pass it on to the RT team.
I will see him Thursday at the Xmas do with Eric saward and Ian Levine whom you know was instrumental in returning many eps and I will raise the subject with both of them.
Anything that comes up thats interesting I will share it here.

[Deleted]

Ask him. What is the harm in that ? secondly the loser who is telling me I will get sued is a complete gibbon. Firstly who would be such a prick as to sue someone for saying they secretly had a copy of a Doctor Who episode on 16mm film from 1965. Seriously just remove yourself from the anorak a minute and think about someone standing up in court actually telling a judge that they deserve damages because someone claimed that they had a copy of an old black and white episode of a kids TV show from 40 years ago hidden in the attic. If anyone is enough of a loser to ever try and make such a lawsuit good luck to them. Secondly
don't shoot the messenger. I told you what someone told me.
This is a "forum" a place of discussion and given that the topic is missing episodes I was naive enough to assume that we could openly discuss in a forum things we have heard that may lead to the recovery of such episodes. Obviously I was wrong. I guess that 12 years after I left fandom because it was populated by sweaty greasy haired anorak wearing freaks that I should have realized that nothing has changed. You guys would rather sit around and w ank over the thought of seeing "Marco Polo" one day then actually being proactive and investigating any and every lead. My mistake. As for rumours and lawsuits please contact Ian Richardson. Also I didn't realise that those people still hung out together. Don't they have any other friends ?
Saward ? Does the guy work any more ? Is the Fitzroy Tavern still there hang out ? Seriously ? All these years later ? Come on you have to be kidding right ? king losers.

[B Thomas]

Troll

[tallrich]

As I mentioned in my previous post, I was on the Cambridge scene when Ian Richardson published "The Hourly Press" A great fan magazine that I contributed to on many an occassion.

Unfortunately at the time Ian Richardson was happy to listen to any rumours as it might have given him something good for publication. This never happened as he could never find enough (Or any) evidence to suggest these epiosdes existed. As I have previously stated the rumour Jerry is talking about comes from the rumour of The Macra Terror being reconstructed by fans.

It is also worth noting that Ian also heard rumours that : Ian Lavine holds all missing episodes in his collection, JNT held a number of missing episodes that had been sent to the production office and so on and so on ... all of which where just "rumours" and turned out to be nothing else.

[Deleted]

Tallrich given that you say you contributed to The Hourly press many times then you should be personally known to me
as basically that was my fanzine. Ian Richardson on the basis he had a better pc than me or the other co-founder was installed as "ediotr". So that being said what is your real name and what is my real name ?

[Deleted]

sounds fishy