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Apr 9, 2006 13:57:03 GMT
Post by johnfox on Apr 9, 2006 13:57:03 GMT
And to draw more comparison between Islam and Christianity... There are many accounts of Christians committing acts of atrocities throughout history - cite: Northern Ireland; Waco Texas (USA); "The Burning Times"; Many "Crusades" and holy wars in the Middle East... This does not mean that all Christians are unbalanced fundamentalists with barbaric practises - merely that both sides of the coin are more similar than either side would like to admit. I'm not trying to take sides in this discussion... but what atrocities did Christians commit at Waco? I think it was more the FBI to blame there.
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Apr 9, 2006 16:23:02 GMT
Post by Bobby Clark (synthpopalooza) on Apr 9, 2006 16:23:02 GMT
While I tend to stay out of religious arguments ... I think maybe perhaps he was referring to the brainwashing that the Branch Davidians did to all their members, including the women and children. And, on a related note, maybe the bombing of the Oklahoma City building, which was in response to Waco. In short, there's a lot of blood on the hands of all world religions, not just the Abrahamic ones. Religion is a powerful tool, it can be used for good or for evil, rather like a very powerful loaded gun. That's why it must be used with care. Sermon over. But back to Marco Polo: There is a record that those two eps got sent to Iran, and it's entirely possible that they are languishing in a forgotten-about TV archive somewhere. Maybe, if you happen to know someone who has connections in Iran, it might be worth asking a few questions. I know an Iranian who attends my church, I may ask him if he knows anyone who worked in TV over there.
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Apr 9, 2006 20:35:20 GMT
Post by Greg H on Apr 9, 2006 20:35:20 GMT
Organised religeon is evil Anyway, yeah at the moment I am pushing all of my Asian connections to try and get some kind of motion on the a for andromeda thing. I have a bunch of contacts with varying degrees of influence out there, who knows the miraculous might happen, but its ten million to one I dont know a soul from iran though. Does anyone know if Iranian television or filmic produce has some kind of representative in the UK? We have a bunch of middle eastern television stations over here on cable, so someone on this soil must be a go between for importing middle eastern television I would presume. If someone knew who we might be able to contact them and maybe see if they were symapthetic to acting as an emissary and dropping a couple of emails in the right lingo in the right direction! I reckon this might be a good starting point to put this very persistent Iranian missing episodes thing either to bed or to happy result!! Let me know if anyone has info in this direction
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Apr 9, 2006 23:25:19 GMT
Post by John Negrych on Apr 9, 2006 23:25:19 GMT
When white western Fundamentalist Christians start blowing themselves up in car bombs, to take 50+ innocent men, women and children with them, or kidnapping and then chopping off heads of people, then your point will be valid. Since you seem to scoff at the situation, maybe you should be the one to go over there wearing an "I'm a westerner" shirt. All I was saying is that part of the world sure isn't very safe for people, and that life is cheap "over there". You want to get all self righteous about it, go ahead. Don't lecture me boy. I spent my time in the forces during the time of the first Gulf war (or should that be "Oil" war?), Somalia and Bosnia. I've had contact with many from that part of the world and, I hate to break it to you, many of them are not too different from us. As for being self-righteous... Don't forget - yours was the first post making sweeping, generalised and bigoted implications about certain demographic groups. It is unfair to state that life is cheap in any part of the world - it has the same value everywhere. In all corners of the world there are those who would compromise another's right to live in peace and safety - all in the name of one cause or another. The mere fact that those in the Middle East have been more publicized of late does not necessarily mean that life is any cheaper there than elsewhere. The tone of your suggestion seems to be informed by the media-represented views of some fundamentalist splinter-groups who have used barbaric practises to further inflame a situation that catches many innocent people in the middle. And to draw more comparison between Islam and Christianity... There are many accounts of Christians committing acts of atrocities throughout history - cite: Northern Ireland; Waco Texas (USA); "The Burning Times"; Many "Crusades" and holy wars in the Middle East... This does not mean that all Christians are unbalanced fundamentalists with barbaric practises - merely that both sides of the coin are more similar than either side would like to admit. As for suggesting I go "over there" wearing an "I am a westerner" shirt... How can you be so sure of my ethnic background? I spent a great portion of my childhood growing up in a Sikh household where the everyday language was Punjabi. Where does that place me? East or West? I guess the point I am trying to make is that I hardly expected my wry observation (in my last post) to warrant such an emotional and/or inflammatory response. Unless you're trying to be a troll...? You going to spank me now? Careful walking... you might bump into something with your nose held so high in the air.
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Apr 10, 2006 3:41:58 GMT
Post by Bobby Clark (synthpopalooza) on Apr 10, 2006 3:41:58 GMT
I found some links which might help out: www.irantvnetowrk.com ... is an american network which does Persian language broadcasts. They might be able to help? www.iranntv.com ... the website of Iran National TV. It's entirely in Persian, so good luck with that one.
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Apr 10, 2006 11:00:49 GMT
Post by B Thomas on Apr 10, 2006 11:00:49 GMT
Don't lecture me boy. I spent my time in the forces during the time of the first Gulf war (or should that be "Oil" war?), Somalia and Bosnia. I've had contact with many from that part of the world and, I hate to break it to you, many of them are not too different from us. As for being self-righteous... Don't forget - yours was the first post making sweeping, generalised and bigoted implications about certain demographic groups. It is unfair to state that life is cheap in any part of the world - it has the same value everywhere. In all corners of the world there are those who would compromise another's right to live in peace and safety - all in the name of one cause or another. The mere fact that those in the Middle East have been more publicized of late does not necessarily mean that life is any cheaper there than elsewhere. The tone of your suggestion seems to be informed by the media-represented views of some fundamentalist splinter-groups who have used barbaric practises to further inflame a situation that catches many innocent people in the middle. And to draw more comparison between Islam and Christianity... There are many accounts of Christians committing acts of atrocities throughout history - cite: Northern Ireland; Waco Texas (USA); "The Burning Times"; Many "Crusades" and holy wars in the Middle East... This does not mean that all Christians are unbalanced fundamentalists with barbaric practises - merely that both sides of the coin are more similar than either side would like to admit. As for suggesting I go "over there" wearing an "I am a westerner" shirt... How can you be so sure of my ethnic background? I spent a great portion of my childhood growing up in a Sikh household where the everyday language was Punjabi. Where does that place me? East or West? I guess the point I am trying to make is that I hardly expected my wry observation (in my last post) to warrant such an emotional and/or inflammatory response. Unless you're trying to be a troll...? You going to spank me now? Careful walking... you might bump into something with your nose held so high in the air. What a childish, over-emotional response...
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Apr 10, 2006 11:05:12 GMT
Post by B Thomas on Apr 10, 2006 11:05:12 GMT
Organised religeon is evil Anyway, yeah at the moment I am pushing all of my Asian connections to try and get some kind of motion on the a for andromeda thing. I have a bunch of contacts with varying degrees of influence out there, who knows the miraculous might happen, but its ten million to one I dont know a soul from iran though. Does anyone know if Iranian television or filmic produce has some kind of representative in the UK? We have a bunch of middle eastern television stations over here on cable, so someone on this soil must be a go between for importing middle eastern television I would presume. If someone knew who we might be able to contact them and maybe see if they were symapthetic to acting as an emissary and dropping a couple of emails in the right lingo in the right direction! I reckon this might be a good starting point to put this very persistent Iranian missing episodes thing either to bed or to happy result!! Let me know if anyone has info in this direction Good on ya... And further to your first comment - there is a very good quote that seems to sum this up: "God taught the world to love. Religion taught the world to hate." I wish I could remember who said this. A bit of real wisdom there...
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Apr 10, 2006 22:58:09 GMT
Post by Greg H on Apr 10, 2006 22:58:09 GMT
Its a nice quote myself im a polytheist! It seems more comfortable than there being just one truth But believe me if I turn anything up I will shout so loudly that each one of you will hear it! And I will put any material I might turn up where it belongs - on your shelves. Fingers crossed! But like always - dont hold your breath!!
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Apr 11, 2006 0:43:53 GMT
Post by Geoff Sear on Apr 11, 2006 0:43:53 GMT
Don't lecture me boy. I spent my time in the forces during the time of the first Gulf war (or should that be "Oil" war?), Somalia and Bosnia. I've had contact with many from that part of the world and, I hate to break it to you, many of them are not too different from us. As for being self-righteous... Don't forget - yours was the first post making sweeping, generalised and bigoted implications about certain demographic groups. It is unfair to state that life is cheap in any part of the world - it has the same value everywhere. In all corners of the world there are those who would compromise another's right to live in peace and safety - all in the name of one cause or another. The mere fact that those in the Middle East have been more publicized of late does not necessarily mean that life is any cheaper there than elsewhere. The tone of your suggestion seems to be informed by the media-represented views of some fundamentalist splinter-groups who have used barbaric practises to further inflame a situation that catches many innocent people in the middle. Well said. Many would be surprised to what extent people are...well..just people, when you travel round the world. Of course you might have be more careful in certain countries, but this is partly a result of the skewed ideas we and they get of other cultures via the media. The recent "Letter from our Correspondent" from Iran in Private Eye made good reading, as Iran has a very well educated, forward-looking young population who are as sick of the hotheads in their country who get all the publicity as we are of some of the idiots who shout loudest in ours. Of course, the regime in Iran is somewhat dubious at the moment, but there is a very complicated web of history and the culture of "sabre-rattling" and pride. The rhetoric from that part of the world can sometimes seem very scary to Western eyes, but it's good to keep a sense of perspective in these matters. People are people, and life isn't "cheap", there are lovely people wherever you go, and some arseholes as well..plus ca change. Anyway, I dunno why I'm waffling on...missing episodes, ay?
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