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Post by Lance M on Mar 17, 2005 21:51:44 GMT
Hello Again,
I was just wondering that if who episodes were indeed screened in the tropics. Were any of the tropic television stations that screened early who ever searched for missing material? Have they been searched in recent years? Is it likely or unlikely that some of the tropic television station archives could still contain missing who episodes? I am just a little bit currious, since I do not have a lot of access to some of the particulars of the BBC's past experience with thier distribution of vintage episodes of Doctor Who. Any help or opinions in this matter would be appreciated.
Thanks,Lance.
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Post by Ash Stewart on Mar 17, 2005 22:07:50 GMT
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Post by Ben on Mar 17, 2005 22:35:49 GMT
Questions like these are redudant as lost episodes could exist literally anywhere and when - or if - an episode turns up, only then will we know for sure.
Out of interest, are there many non-UK-based missing episode hunters searching for Doctor Who? I only recently discovered that overseas archives - such as ABC - don't have complete archives and it got me thinking ("Do UK missing episode hunters search for lost overseas stuff as well as British stuff?", "Do overseas hunters search for 'our' stuff?" - that kind of thing).
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Post by Jon Preddle on Mar 18, 2005 0:00:45 GMT
Questions like these are redudant as lost episodes could exist literally anywhere and when - or if - an episode turns up, only then will we know for sure. Out of interest, are there many non-UK-based missing episode hunters searching for Doctor Who? I only recently discovered that overseas archives - such as ABC - don't have complete archives and it got me thinking ("Do UK missing episode hunters search for lost overseas stuff as well as British stuff?", "Do overseas hunters search for 'our' stuff?" - that kind of thing). Being in New Zealand, obviously our attention is focused here. There's not much point in us annoying stations in other countries, especially when it's known someone has already approached them without success - eg Singapore. It's also best to leave it those who have the research material and documentation as a support so they know whom to contact, and what they should be looking for. There's really not much point contacting a foreign TV station if you don't know the airdates or the titles of the stories they screened. Jon Preddle |
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Post by Ben on Mar 18, 2005 1:00:07 GMT
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear in my previous post - what I meant was do many people overseas search for missing British material in their own country (such as the man who found the censor clips) and do people in the UK search for material missing from foreign archives within the UK? Missing material has a habit of turning up where least expected (see The Lion, for example). Is that any clearer? It would be nice to find a complete lost of all footage lost worldwide. I know it's not likely that, for example, a lost episode of Countdown would turn up in the UK, but stranger things have happened (such as Billie Piper was cast as a companion in Doctor Who...).  |
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Post by Wright Blan on Mar 19, 2005 22:15:44 GMT
Somehow I don't think the tropics are going to be real fruitful places to search for lost episodes. This is because of a)Hurricanes which could have taken out tv stations (and their archives), and b) TV stations being perfect targets for terrorists and other anti-governemnt organizations (The whole Cyprus TV incident).
Also, I don't think the number of film and tv collectors in that area is very huge. My guess is that there are mabye less than twenty in the whole Carrebean (thought that is based on nothing but speculation on my part.)
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Post by B Thomas on Mar 20, 2005 0:43:39 GMT
Bearing in mind what happened to poor old Bruce Grenville (over the return of "The Lion") perhaps the BBC could start legal against Turkey for the destruction of the Cypriot copy of "The Reign of Terror"?
;D ;D ;D
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Post by LanceM on Mar 21, 2005 18:28:54 GMT
Hello again,
Let's just face it that the cypriot copy of Reign of Terror is gone, however the idea of suit is something to take up with an BBC Attorney at Law. Now, back to the root question of this thread. As most fans have found out about past missing episode finds, that episodes tend to turn up where people least expected that they could indeed be found. Such as in the case of the Lion, Masterplan 5 and 10, and that find of the Space Pirates 2 in the attic of a film buff in the UK (Even though at the time the episode alwready existed in the BBC archives ).
So there could be a remote possibility that a missing episode could turn up from the unlikely reaches of the tropics! This is just speculation, please keep this in mind when replying to this post. So I seem to remember that Singapore was searched for missing episodes ? what about Fiji? or some of the other tropic tv ststions that missing who was sent to ? Any intelligent thoughts or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,Lance.
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Post by Stephen Neve on Mar 22, 2005 10:19:39 GMT
Hello again, Let's just face it that the cypriot copy of Reign of Terror is gone, however the idea of suit is something to take up with an BBC Attorney at Law. Now, back to the root question of this thread. As most fans have found out about past missing episode finds, that episodes tend to turn up where people least expected that they could indeed be found. Such as in the case of the Lion, Masterplan 5 and 10, and that find of the Space Pirates 2 in the attic of a film buff in the UK (Even though at the time the episode alwready existed in the BBC archives ). So there could be a remote possibility that a missing episode could turn up from the unlikely reaches of the tropics! This is just speculation, please keep this in mind when replying to this post. So I seem to remember that Singapore was searched for missing episodes ? what about Fiji? or some of the other tropic tv ststions that missing who was sent to ? Any intelligent thoughts or comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,Lance. Who know where the next episode is. It could be right under our noses. Francis Watson kept Masterplan 2 in the Vaults of a Univesity , I think it was Leeds during the 1980's. All the Students that have past through there that have been fans, not realising that Masterplan 2 was right under there noses all that time, Ironic really. |
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Post by Ash Stewart on Mar 22, 2005 10:31:20 GMT
Leeds University, eh...? Interesting. I wonder if it was Leeds, and if so if it was possibly there earlier than the
80s...
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Post by Stephen Neve on Mar 22, 2005 14:23:17 GMT
Leeds University, eh...? Interesting. I wonder if it was Leeds, and if so if it was possibly there earlier than the 80s... It was mentioned in a post by Steve Roberts soon after it was found. Francis Watson got the university to look after it for a while. Only wish I knew what university it was. The can had been found much eralier in the university but Frances came at some stage and took the episode out and transfered it to another can. Masterplan 2 should have been found many years earlier, if only someone had posed questions when the can was found. The same happened with the Lion, a seller had it for sale on the internet aboutr a year before it was found, again we missed it. I woulden't bet on another episode being right under our noses somewhere. |
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Post by Ash Stewart on Mar 22, 2005 14:41:37 GMT
Of course, yes. The Film society thing. UCL, that's where it was. From Mark P's DW Gateway:
"The film can was known to reside in the archive of the UCL (University College London) film society, and although the can was found to be empty during an inventory conducted during the late 80's, apparently it was clear from what was inside the can that the actual episode had been deliberately removed. What had become of the missing film was anybody's guess, until now, as Watson has confirmed to Roberts that he had indeed been a member of the UCL film society and had left the film (in its can) in the care of the club at one point in time, then later reclaimed the film yet left the can behind."
The Lion wasn't up on the website for a year, though, it was likely to have been about 3 or 4 months, six at the very tops. (IIRC, this was confirmed by one of the chaps involved in the recovery of the episode.)
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