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Post by Jan Charles on Jul 13, 2007 11:09:03 GMT
Hi everyone, thanks for the info! Doris, do you recall by any chance where you heard it was Canada and not America? Was it an official source or an unofficial source? If I can get enough info, I might do a bit of digging. I expect someone else already has, but it cant hurt. not sure where these things start, but can tell you Thames and the Canadian Brodcasting Company had a good relationship in those times
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Post by johnstewart on Jul 14, 2007 18:29:11 GMT
I've justed posted on this elsewhere.
I wrote to the CBC on ACE OF WANDS in 1990 and they did reply and were accomodating. They said that Canadian programmes tape were also wiped; and that any Archive held would prioritise, understandably Canadian material.
AOW was purchased in the past. At that stage the CBC had already returned to Thames; according to TIMESCREEN 525 line copies of the story THE MEDDLERS; so obviously that was the format which was sold to them.
Presumably AOW was marketed elsewhere additionally; else there would never have been any Thames Enterprises film prints made ?
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Post by William Martin on Jul 17, 2007 15:21:14 GMT
probably Australia and or New Zealand
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Post by B Thomas on Jul 17, 2007 20:52:12 GMT
New Zealand only screened episodes from Series 3 ("The Meddlers" - "Sisters Deadly").
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Post by William Martin on Jul 23, 2007 13:46:00 GMT
not looking too hopefull is it.
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Post by Greg H on Jul 23, 2007 16:03:07 GMT
Stranger things have happened.
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Post by William Martin on Jul 24, 2007 14:24:01 GMT
:)and this was the series for strange things, perhaps they'll re apear in a badly edited jump cut
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Post by Greg H on Jul 24, 2007 21:02:14 GMT
lol
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Post by johnstewart on Jul 26, 2007 20:57:45 GMT
:)and this was the series for strange things, perhaps they'll re apear in a badly edited jump cut Just for the record; I believe I recall the first use of the lock off cuts effect was in the first episode of 'MIND ROBBERS' where Senor Zandor is followed by Tarot to a large house in a suburban street. I seem to recall him walking one way then disappearing and seen walking in the opposite direction. The early scene which definitely in my memory featured it was the end of THE SMILE; where Tarot suddenly points at the Owl and it and Mr Sweet appeared to teleport onto the Church halls stage where he rehearsed. It didn't make any sense and wasn't explained but was fun for the kids watching (like me).
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Post by johnstewart on Jul 26, 2007 21:02:01 GMT
Stranger things have happened. 'TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN' after 15 years returning complete and the 'destroyed by contract' telerecording of ITVs TURN OF THE SCREW (1960) being two examples. It may well eventually come to light that a sideline member of staff like a studio hand; who recognised 'Seven serpents' worth borrowed it. Or clips on a domestic recording might appear. Don't forget the SWEET clips form LIFT OFF and CRACKERJACK that appeared on YOUTUBE. These were not in official archives and appear to be home recordings.
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Post by johnstewart on Aug 8, 2007 19:16:54 GMT
not looking too hopefull is it. I recall someone; think it was Graham Howard; posted to say he had checked and TVNZ had no ACE OF WANDS. There remains three possibilities to me. Most unlikely is the scenario someone recorded off air on one of the formats then available; something from series 2; say in 1971. It's more likely for that than the first series. The second is that the same thing happened as with some DR WHO prints. That when the overseas company junked their prints; oddments found their way into private hands. If the B+W prints of SEVEN SERPENTS as has been stated; were still on offer (not just an error on an obsolete list); in the early 80s. Then maybe the prints got into private hands rather than being junked; which seems unlikely at that late date. I still can't believe with the impact it's known to have on its own team at the time; no one didn't try and get something as a souvenir from that story; such as a print or off air of the last episode. We might not know of it because of the lack of the same urgency as the DR WHO search; the owner may be regional (i.e. in Scotland); or not a high profile member of the production team.
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Post by Greg H on Aug 9, 2007 8:48:23 GMT
Stranger things have happened. 'TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN' after 15 years returning complete and the 'destroyed by contract' telerecording of ITVs TURN OF THE SCREW (1960) being two examples. It may well eventually come to light that a sideline member of staff like a studio hand; who recognised 'Seven serpents' worth borrowed it. Or clips on a domestic recording might appear. Don't forget the SWEET clips form LIFT OFF and CRACKERJACK that appeared on YOUTUBE. These were not in official archives and appear to be home recordings. Out of interest, what year where the sweet home recordings from? I am extremely interested in early home recordings.
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Post by Greg H on Aug 9, 2007 8:56:51 GMT
not looking too hopefull is it. I recall someone; think it was Graham Howard; posted to say he had checked and TVNZ had no ACE OF WANDS. There remains three possibilities to me. Most unlikely is the scenario someone recorded off air on one of the formats then available; something from series 2; say in 1971. It's more likely for that than the first series. The second is that the same thing happened as with some DR WHO prints. That when the overseas company junked their prints; oddments found their way into private hands. If the B+W prints of SEVEN SERPENTS as has been stated; were still on offer (not just an error on an obsolete list); in the early 80s. Then maybe the prints got into private hands rather than being junked; which seems unlikely at that late date. I still can't believe with the impact it's known to have on its own team at the time; no one didn't try and get something as a souvenir from that story; such as a print or off air of the last episode. We might not know of it because of the lack of the same urgency as the DR WHO search; the owner may be regional (i.e. in Scotland); or not a high profile member of the production team. Indeed! Checking an archive conclusively is a difficult business though! Bits and pieces can be misfiled or turn up in bizzare places, as has happened even at the BBC, wasnt there something about a suspended ceiling having a bunch of 16mm top of the pops recordings hidden above it, or is that a myth? I seem to remember seeing that on a documentary! An off air recording somewhere is a possibility, equipment was getting slightly more common by the 70s. As much of a fan as I am of Dr who, it is a pity people are so single minded about missing TV really. There is a lot more to our missing TV heritage than just dr who. I suppose awareness is rising though. Still I expect if all the missing quatermass came back the average dr who forum wouldnt notice
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Post by johnstewart on Aug 9, 2007 14:13:22 GMT
No - the good thing being that when we hear reports of finds; the content is sometimes mentioned as being across the board.
Otherwise they might say send back the WHO stuff and not bother about OOTU or the ADAM ADAMANT stuff retrieved!!!
I have long maintained part of the problem is getting the ITV companies moving to follow the BBCs lead.
With the advent of NETWORK; the value of the marketable in the less obvious and cult TV item curios quantifies the commercial potential to the ITV companies concerned.
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Post by Greg H on Aug 9, 2007 15:12:09 GMT
As a slight off topic question john, do you know how widely adam adamant was sold abroad? Did that by any chance make it as far afield as australia and africa? Do records survive of sales?
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