Post by Darren Willmott on Dec 14, 2018 19:39:16 GMT
Listening to it, absolutely zero mention is made of the No.4 slot. Goes straight from the fade of Beatles - Ticket to Ride, to Pete Murray in London pontificating on The Beatles, Millie, The MoJo's, the Merseybeats and the Nashville Teens. Then back to David Jacobs and the 'battle of the top - the top 3 places'. Then in to PJ Proby etc.
I think this is a new link here. Almost 11 minutes of TOTP from 8th July 1964 with David Jacobs presenting. The top 3 run down is PJ Proby, The Rolling Stones & The Animals. www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHC8dLx-V4c
Thanks so much marjorysmith !! Durn it burn it, it won't play in the USA, BBC blocked it. I hate it when they do that...
If anyone has the gumption to copy this audio file from YouTube and post it on DailyMotion.com, please have at it! Or to any other common audio format and PM it to me. Would owe you a big favor in the future, cheers!
Until someone can do that, could someone please listen to the file and post what the DJ says about #4 "It's Over" by Roy Orbison? Does he say something like "down from #2 last week, to #4 this week"? Thanks in advance !!!
i too am geographically challenged. If someone could repost somewhere, perhaps WeTransfer, it would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks Darren & Robert & Peter !! It dawned on me after I posted above that TOTP didn't countdown every record like POTP did, although they'd do an artist/record title 'picture' countdown at the beginning of the show, without any record snips or DJ commentary.
Totally amazing that people would record these old POTP & TOTP shows back in the day.
Just to tidy up and summarize the evidence for what was #1 on the BBC for July 1, 1964:
“It’s Over” by Roy Orbison vs. “House of the Rising Sun” by The Animals
In support of “It’s Over” by Roy Orbison at #1:
--the original BBC chart file by Dave Taylor/Trevor Ager --the Pete Seaton fusion of research, listings, and work of Richard Down; as published in Pete’s TOTP book, and posted on Popscene by Mark Leech aka TOTP1964 (and posted on multiple other sites as well) --the mathematical average of the NME, Melody Maker, Disc, and Record Retailer charts (thus “It’s Over” was #1 for 3 weeks, “House” for 1 week)
In support of “House OTRS” by The Animals at #1:
--the 2 revised BBC chart files by Dave Taylor/Trevor Ager, as researched by Trevor at the BBC library --the Derek Chinnery (BBC chart compiler) #1 override rule, as discovered during Trevor’s BBC library research, whereby a record at #1 on a majority of the component charts was given the BBC #1 even though another record may have had a better mathematical average. “House” was #1 on NME, MM, Disc, #6 on RR. “It’s Over” was #1 on RR, #2 on NME, MM, Disc. Most often invoked with new Beatles records, when they would frequently debut at #1 on NME, MM, and Disc, but much lower on RR. A mathematical averaging would have kept many Beatles records from debuting at #1 due to the inferior RR chart, which was 1 day off from the other charts, and sampled a significantly fewer number of record shops. But this rule also came into play with other #1 records as well, including “House”, and “The Last Time” by The Rolling Stones. --the Dave Taylor analysis of BBC #1’s vs. the EMI average chart #1’s, as posted on Popscene --the July 8, 1964 TOTP audio file, the last 11 min in circulation (I’ve got it), where the DJ introduces the #1 record as “and once again it’s The Animals and The House OTRS”, implying it was also #1 the week before on July 1, 1964 --the POTP 1964 year-end #1’s recap show, as listened to and documented by UKMix poster “olemygind” as it was broadcast live; both “It’s Over” and “House” were listed at #1 for 2 weeks each
So that’s the evidence. A seemingly strong majority indicates “House OTRS” is the winner for the BBC #1 on July 1, 1964…