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Post by A.S.M Smith on Aug 19, 2003 15:31:48 GMT
Dear Neil
Yet again TOTP2 board is playing up. So to answer your last question. Yes! that Record Collector article is mine. I have just submitted similar ones to `Guinness` All i've tried to do is re-dress the balance which i feel was lost by undue creedence given to a chart "Record Retailer" which certain authors would have you believe was the ONLY chart that counted in the60's. Indeed the Beeb and Top Of The Pops never used Record Retailers figures as part of their averaged chart until 1966. And even then it was out of step. Example = Rolling Stones "19th Nervous Breakdown" Which people regard as a no 2 chart place. NOT in Feb/March 66 they didn't ; back then it hit no 1 for the same 3 weeks in NME Melody Maker and DISCS charts; and so was no 1 for those three weeks on Top of The pops. I just cannot rate the Record Retailer chart so high after what I found out about it in my research. I feel the true chart statistics of the 60's have been neglected for too long. Sorry about droning on Best Regards Alan Smith.
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Post by Neil Barker on Aug 19, 2003 16:22:42 GMT
Thanks for the reply, Alan. I remember reading that Record Collector article and found it very interesting. I'll try and dig it out and read it again sometime. I think you have a point about the charts - my parents always used to tell me that "Please Please Me" had been a No.1, but when I started buying Guinness books I had to tell them that they were 'wrong'. I also remember Alan Freeman playing "19th Nervous Breakdown" as a No.1 on 'Pick Of The Pops' a few years ago and wondered how he had managed to make such a 'mistake'.
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Post by ASM on Aug 21, 2003 8:21:01 GMT
Glad you caught my reply Neil. Re my Record Collector article. I spent lots of time and money on it. I have proved that both Melody Maker and NME charts were THE charts of the 60's eg Not one national or regional newspaper carried the R.R charts in the 60's EVER! It was NME and MM. I spoke with Jonathan Rice (He gave me his home number) I asked him for evidence `please` to back up claims he constantly makes regarding R.R chart. He was man enough to admit he had no evidence, or knew anything about how charts were compiled. He has never contacted those involved in putting those charts together. With "Please Please Me" in Feb/March 1963 Record Retailer only got it to no 2 on a sample of 30 (Thirty) returns. Pop Weekly's top 30 had it at no 1 on a similar sample of 30. Discs chart on 50 to 60 returns got it to no 1 also. NME's returns of 120 to 130 also a no 1. Finally Melody Makers top 50 chart also took it to no 1 on returns of 150 to 170. Return sizes always fluctuated somewhat at DISC, NME & MM as they used `Rolling pools`. Alan
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Post by ASM on Aug 21, 2003 14:48:09 GMT
Neil I managed to get a message on the TOTP2 board (Hooray!) in your no 20 record section. Hope the info will interest you. One question; when you get to no 2 will you be mentioning that "Please Please Me" was no 2 in only one of the 5 main charts in action then? Alan Smith
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Post by Peter Chadwick on Aug 23, 2003 8:35:23 GMT
Glad you caught my reply Neil. Re my Record Collector article. I spent lots of time and money on it. I have proved that both Melody Maker and NME charts were THE charts of the 60's eg Not one national or regional newspaper carried the R.R charts in the 60's EVER! It was NME and MM. I spoke with Jonathan Rice (He gave me his home number) I asked him for evidence `please` to back up claims he constantly makes regarding R.R chart. He was man enough to admit he had no evidence, or knew anything about how charts were compiled. He has never contacted those involved in putting those charts together. With "Please Please Me" in Feb/March 1963 Record Retailer only got it to no 2 on a sample of 30 (Thirty) returns. Pop Weekly's top 30 had it at no 1 on a similar sample of 30. Discs chart on 50 to 60 returns got it to no 1 also. NME's returns of 120 to 130 also a no 1. Finally Melody Makers top 50 chart also took it to no 1 on returns of 150 to 170. Return sizes always fluctuated somewhat at DISC, NME & MM as they used `Rolling pools`. Alan Just as a minor point;the Beeb certainly treated Please Please Me as a no. 1 single. When the group appeared on 'Teenager's Turn' on the light programme on 12/3/63, the host said :''It's always good to see one of our regular guests returning to the show, and it's particularly good to welcome back The Beatles with a number one hit''.  |
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Post by Alan Smith on Aug 23, 2003 13:36:54 GMT
That's right. It's how things were percieved at the time is the REAL truth of what was or wasent a No1. Sadly over the years certain authors in the early days of a certain chart book quite deliberatly made it as though only one chart (Record Retailers) was ever referred to in the 60's. Rubbish! only now have other people and myself managed to (Hopefully) reflect the TRUE way the charts were perceived back then. One of these notorious authors wasent even in the UK (He's American) until September 1970. How can he dictate as to what 60's charts were relevant in peoples minds in 60's Britain? Alan Smith.  |
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Post by Laurence Dart on Aug 23, 2003 17:01:49 GMT
>One of these notorious authors wasent even in the UK >(He's American) until September 1970. How can he >dictate as to what 60's charts were relevant in >peoples minds in 60's Britain?
Research?!
Out of interest, which charts were used by the BBC for the "Pick Of The Pops" and "Top Of The Pops" rundowns? They'd obviously be the candidates for the most relevant in the public's minds, as they had the most exposure.
LD
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Post by Pete on Aug 23, 2003 20:52:33 GMT
hmmm. ive something to add one evening my brother came over and picked up my Guinness book (ooh the 1987 version was the latest then) and he told me that "Argent - Hold your head up" was a number one, well, I remember when I was a young kid that he used to read the NME, Sounds and Melody Maker...... It wasnt the NME (as I have that book, or the RR chart or the BBC) he also told me some bits were missing too, so was some hits that were in the NME charts circa 1972 -80 not in the RR/BMRB charts ?? any ideas on that chaps  ? he also told me that "Chirpy chirpy cheep cheep" at the time got on his nerves too....... |
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Post by Neil Barker on Aug 23, 2003 21:38:36 GMT
My auntie once told me that "She's No Angel" by the Heavy Metal Kids got to about No.18, but she was wrong obviously.
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Post by BrianD not logged in on Aug 23, 2003 22:26:08 GMT
I don't think Argent's Hold Your Head Up got to number 1. I preferred 'God Gave Rock and Roll to You', and that didn't get to number one either! But I bought the 'In Deep' album on the strength of it.....
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Post by Pete on Aug 24, 2003 22:54:16 GMT
Another one of the .... ?? told me thread my ex0neighbour told me, and was convinced that iron miaden's - 2 minutes to midnight was a no.1 well we know it only got to No.11, but did it get to no.1 in the Kerrang rock charts |
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Post by Alan Smith on Aug 28, 2003 8:37:57 GMT
No Argent never hit no 1. BUT!! Free with "All Right Now" hit no1 for 3 Weeks in NME's chart. For 3 Weeks in Melody Makers Chart. And 4 Weeks in Music Now's chart. Also Deep Purples "Black Night" Hit no1 on 31st Oct 1970 in NME, Melody Maker and Mucic Now.
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