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Post by Brian Denton on Oct 26, 2006 19:04:14 GMT
I am currently watching a complete Match of the Day from 1967 - one game, Everton v Man United, lasts about 50 mins - which was recently shown on ESPN Classic. I had no idea that this game still existed - all the more poignant for me as I was at the game. I keep telling the cameraman to pan down to where I was with my dad!
I know the topic has been posted before, but is there anywhere a list of like survivals?
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Post by Andrew Martin on Oct 27, 2006 9:36:34 GMT
These are all the existing editions from the 60s (which is most of them...), taken from Infax:
MATCH OF THE DAY:LIVERPOOL V ARSENAL........... 22/08/64 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V SUNDERLAND.......... 29/08/64 MATCH OF THE DAY:FULHAM V MANCHESTER UNITED.... 05/09/64 MATCH OF THE DAY:WEST HAM UNITED V TOTTENH .... 12/09/64 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V LEEDS UNITED........ 19/09/64 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V TOTTE .... 26/09/64 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEICESTER CITY V NOTTINGH .... 17/10/64 MATCH OF THE DAY:ARSENAL V MANCHESTER UNITED... 28/11/64 MATCH OF THE DAY:WEST HAM UNITED V STOKE CITY.. 02/01/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:OXFORD UNITED V TRANMERE .... 09/01/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:NOTTINGHAM FOREST V MAN UNITED 16/01/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:WEST BROMWICH ALBION V TO .... 23/01/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR V MANCH .... 06/02/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:ARSENAL V LEEDS UNITED........ 13/02/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEYTON ORIENT V NEWCASTLE .... 20/02/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:WEST HAM UNITED V LIVERPOOL... 27/02/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHARLTON ATHLETIC V BOLTO .... 06/03/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V CHELSEA... 13/03/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V EVERTON........ 20/03/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:WEST HAM UNITED V ARSENAL..... 27/03/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:ASTON VILLA V TOTTENHAM H .... 03/04/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:NORTHAMPTON TOWN V DERBY .... 10/04/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V MANCHESTER .... 17/04/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:LIVERPOOL V MANCHESTER UNITED. 24/04/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:WEST BROMWICH ALBION V CHELSEA 02/10/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:NOTTINGHAM FOREST V WEST .... 09/10/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR V MANCH .... 16/10/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V LEICESTER CITY...... 23/10/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS V .... 30/10/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:ARSENAL V SHEFFIELD UNITED.... 06/11/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEICESTER CITY V MANCHEST .... 13/11/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY V FULHAM.. 20/11/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR V STOKE CITY 27/11/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V LIVERPOOL........... 04/12/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V WEST BROMW .... 11/12/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V TOTTE .... 18/12/65 MATCH OF THE DAY:SHEFFIELD UNITED V NORTHA .... 01/01/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:ARSENAL V LIVERPOOL........... 08/01/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:FULHAM V MANCHESTER UNITED.... 15/01/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:LIVERPOOL V CHELSEA........... 22/01/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR V BLACK .... 29/01/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:BRISTOL CITY V MANCHESTER CITY 05/02/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V LEEDS UNITED........ 12/02/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:WEST HAM UNITED V SHEFFIE .... 19/02/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:FULHAM V LIVERPOOL............ 26/02/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS V .... 05/03/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:LIVERPOOL V TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR. 12/03/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V ARSENAL... 19/03/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:PRESTON NORTH END V MANCH .... 26/03/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:SCOTLAND V ENGLAND............ 02/04/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V TOTTE .... 09/04/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:FULHAM V SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY.. 16/04/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY. 23/04/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:LIVERPOOL V CHELSEA........... 30/04/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:HUDDERSFIELD V COVENTRY....... 07/05/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:OLDHAM ATHLETIC V OXFORD .... 21/05/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:BRENTFORD V GILLINGHAM........ 28/05/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:WEST HAM UNITED V CHELSEA..... 20/08/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V MANCHESTER .... 27/08/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY V LEI .... 03/09/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR V MANCH .... 10/09/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:ASTON VILLA V CHELSEA......... 17/09/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V BURNLEY... 24/09/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER CITY V CHELSEA..... 01/10/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:ARSENAL V NEWCASTLE UNITED.... 08/10/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V CHELSEA... 15/10/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:WALES V SCOTLAND.............. 22/10/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V SOUTHAMPTON.... 29/10/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEICESTER CITY V BURNLEY...... 05/11/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY V TOT .... 19/11/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V STOKE CITY.......... 26/11/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V EVERTON............. 03/12/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR V LEICE .... 10/12/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V WEST .... 17/12/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V LIVERPOOL........... 24/12/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:FULHAM V STOKE CITY........... 31/12/66 MATCH OF THE DAY:LIVERPOOL V WEST HAM UNITED... 07/01/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:WEST HAM UNITED V SHEFFIE .... 21/01/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V STOKE CITY 28/01/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V STOKE CITY..... 11/02/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:FULHAM V SHEFFIELD UTD:WO .... 18/02/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:PORTSMOUTH V WOLVERHAMPTO .... 25/02/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:QUEENS PARK RANGERS V WES .... 04/03/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:THE FA CUP:QUARTER-FINAL: .... 11/03/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:COVENTRY CITY V BOLTON WA .... 18/03/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS V .... 25/03/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR V LIVERPOOL. 01/04/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:NOTTINGHAM FOREST V EVERT .... 08/04/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:COVENTRY CITY V HUDDERSFIELD.. 15/04/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:WEST HAM UNITED V LEEDS UNITED 22/04/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:THE FA CUP:SEMI-FINALS:CH .... 29/04/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:SOUTHAMPTON V NOTTINGHAM .... 06/05/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V STOKE CITY 13/05/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:THE FA CUP FINAL:1967:CHE .... 20/05/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:CELTIC V TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR.... 05/08/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:EVERTON V MANCHESTER UNITED... 19/08/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:QUEENS PARK RANGERS V NOR .... 26/08/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V WEST .... 02/09/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:LIVERPOOL V CHELSEA........... 09/09/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:BRISTOL CITY V BLACKPOOL...... 16/09/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:ARSENAL V MANCHESTER CITY..... 23/09/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY V WOL .... 30/09/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V ARSENAL... 07/10/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V EVERTON............. 14/10/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:NORTHERN IRELAND V SCOTLAND... 21/10/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:COVENTRY CITY V SUNDERLAND.... 28/10/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:ARSENAL V EVERTON............. 11/11/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:FULHAM V NOTTINGHAM FOREST.... 18/11/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V MANCHESTER UNITED... 25/11/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:BURNLEY V ARSENAL............. 02/12/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:ENGLAND V USSR................ 06/12/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER CITY V TOTTENH .... 09/12/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:QUEENS PARK RANGERS V POR .... 16/12/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:NEWCASTLE UNITED V LIVERPOOL.. 23/12/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEICESTER CITY V WEST HAM .... 30/12/67 MATCH OF THE DAY:IPSWICH TOWN V BIRMINGHAM CITY 06/01/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:ARSENAL V SHEFFIELD UNITED.... 13/01/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V EVERTON........ 20/01/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V LEICESTER CITY. 03/02/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:ARSENAL V NEWCASTLE UNITED.... 10/02/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR V PREST .... 17/02/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:SCOTLAND V ENGLAND............ 24/02/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS V .... 02/03/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V SHEFFIELD WEDNE .... 09/03/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:TORQUAY V BURY................ 16/03/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V MANCHESTER CITY 23/03/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:LIVERPOOL V MANCHESTER UNITED. 06/04/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:SWINDON V SOUTHPORT........... 13/04/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:QUEENS PARK RANGERS V HUD .... 20/04/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:BIRMINGHAM CITY V WEST BR .... 27/04/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V LIVERPOOL...... 04/05/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V SUNDERLAND 11/05/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:THE FA CUP FINAL:1968:EVE .... 18/05/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:FA CHARITY SHIELD:MANCHES .... 03/08/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:QUEENS PARK RANGERS V LEI .... 10/08/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER CITY V MANCHES .... 17/08/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR V SHEFF .... 24/08/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:WEST HAM UNITED V WEST BR .... 31/08/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V EVERTON............. 07/09/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:SHEFFIELD UNITED V OXFORD .... 14/09/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V ARSENAL........ 21/09/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:FULHAM V BLACKBURN ROVERS..... 28/09/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V ARSENAL... 05/10/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR V LIVERPOOL. 19/10/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:ARSENAL V WEST HAM UNITED .... 26/10/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V MANCHESTER CITY..... 02/11/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:SUNDERLAND V MANCHESTER UNITED 09/11/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHARLTON ATHLETIC V HULL CITY. 16/11/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V EVERTON........ 23/11/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:WEST HAM UNITED V MANCHES .... 30/11/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:BLACKPOOL V MIDDLESBORO....... 07/12/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:WEST HAM UNITED V LEEDS UNITED 14/12/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:LIVERPOOL V TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR. 21/12/68 MATCH OF THE DAY............................... 28/12/68 MATCH OF THE DAY:STOKE CITY V TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR 11/01/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:LUTON TOWN V SWINDON TOWN..... 18/01/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEICESTER CITY V WEST HAM .... 01/02/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V CHELSEA........ 15/02/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR V WOLVE .... 22/02/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:BLACKPOOL V DERBY CO:MANS .... 08/03/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V MANCHESTER UNITED... 15/03/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:NOTTINGHAM FOREST V WEST BROM. 22/03/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER CITY V STOKE CITY.. 29/03/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:LIVERPOOL V WOLVERHAMPTON .... 05/04/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:NEWCASTLE UNITED V MANCHE .... 12/04/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V LEICESTER CITY. 19/04/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:THE FA CUP FINAL:1969:LEI .... 26/04/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:FA CHARITY SHIELD:LEEDS U .... 02/08/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:CRYSTAL PALACE V MANCHEST .... 09/08/69 MATCH OF THE DAY............................... 16/08/69 LOS6687E MATCH OF THE DAY:NEWCASTLE UNITED V MANCHE .... 21/08/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:SOUTHAMPTON V CHELSEA......... 23/08/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:CARDIFF CITY V BOLTON WAN .... 30/08/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:NEWPORT COUNTY V BRENTFORD/BRISTOL CITY V PRESTON........ 06/09/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:BRENTFORD V SWANSEA TOWN, FULHAM V BRISTOL 13/09/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:SWANSEA TOWN V NORTHAMPTO .... 20/09/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:MANCHESTER UNITED V WEST .... 27/09/69 LOS6693T MATCH OF THE DAY............................... 04/10/69 LOS6694N MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V DERBY COUNTY:MI .... 11/10/69 LOS6695H MATCH OF THE DAY............................... 18/10/69 LOS6697W MATCH OF THE DAY:SCOTLAND V WEST GERMANY....... 22/10/69 LOS6696B MATCH OF THE DAY:LEEDS UNITED V DERBY:LIVE .... 25/10/69 LOS6698P MATCH OF THE DAY:CARDIFF CITY V HULL CITY...... 01/11/69 PES5599T MATCH OF THE DAY............................... 01/11/69 LOS6699J MATCH OF THE DAY:HOLLAND V ENGLAND............. 05/11/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:QUEENS PARK RANGERS V SHE .... 09/11/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:LIVERPOOL V WEST HAM UNIT .... 15/11/69 MATCH OF THE DAY............................... 22/11/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:DERBY COUNTY V NOTTINGHAM .... 29/11/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:EVERTON V LIVERPOOL:CARDI .... 06/12/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:NEWPORT COUNTY V CHESTERF .... 13/12/69 MATCH OF THE DAY:CHELSEA V MANCHESTER CITY .... 20/12/69 LOS6706H MATCH OF THE DAY............................... 27/12/69
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Post by Tom Morris on Oct 27, 2006 10:19:07 GMT
MATCH OF THE DAY:CHARLTON ATHLETIC V BOLTO .... 06/03/65
If I remember correctly this game was shot with cameras behind a goal.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Oct 27, 2006 13:48:37 GMT
A fascinating list Andrew... interesting to see that most of these were kept. Just as a matter of interest since I know it will be of interest to many reading this, do you have any idea which of these were broadcast in colour and which ones exist in that format?
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Post by Brian Denton on Oct 27, 2006 14:35:58 GMT
Thanks for that listing, really excellent information. Now it's just a matter of hoping that some of them actually get broadcast. I am surprised at the survival rate though; probably somebody will come on the Board now and say that in some cases only two minutes of the programme remains!
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Post by Andrew Martin on Oct 27, 2006 15:38:58 GMT
A fascinating list Andrew... interesting to see that most of these were kept. Just as a matter of interest since I know it will be of interest to many reading this, do you have any idea which of these were broadcast in colour and which ones exist in that format? MOTD started life on BBC2, but by the end of the 60s had transferred to BBC1, so only the last few in 1969 would have been made in colour (which started officially on BBC1 on 15/11/69). There is one programme in late 69 which still exists on tape, covering the international between Holland and England on 5th November, that was made in b/w, suggesting that unlike some programmes MOTD hadn't started colour early. All the holdings for MOTD from 15th November to the end of the year are black and white film recordings. The earliest edition with any colour material is 5/12/70, where the edited package of Chelsea v Newcastle Utd exists, the whole programme is also held on b/w film. The first complete MOTD on colour VT isn't until the FA Cup Final edition on 8/5/71.
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Post by emitron on Oct 27, 2006 15:43:19 GMT
A fascinating list Andrew... interesting to see that most of these were kept. Just as a matter of interest since I know it will be of interest to many reading this, do you have any idea which of these were broadcast in colour and which ones exist in that format? MOTD started life on BBC2, but by the end of the 60s had transferred to BBC1, so only the last few in 1969 would have been made in colour (which started officially on BBC1 on 15/11/69). There is one programme in late 69 which still exists on tape, covering the international between Holland and England on 5th November, that was made in b/w, suggesting that unlike some programmes MOTD hadn't started colour early. All the holdings for MOTD from 15th November to the end of the year are black and white film recordings. The earliest edition with any colour material is 5/12/70, where the edited package of Chelsea v Newcastle Utd exists, the whole programme is also held on b/w film. The first complete MOTD on colour VT isn't until the FA Cup Final edition on 8/5/71. I remember seing a repeat of a 1968 Rugby match in PAL colour in the 1990s. It was quite amazingly good quality, you could easily have spotted yourself if you had been in the stands. Like a time machine going back to a Saturday afternoon in 1968. The colour was perfect.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Oct 27, 2006 17:05:39 GMT
Many thanks for your reply Andrew. I was wondering if MOTD went into colour or not in November 1969 since I know some shows took a while to switch over to colour.
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Post by Tony Heslop on Oct 27, 2006 20:51:01 GMT
I think MOTD did go over to colour in late 1969 and, if I'm not mistaken , Liverpool v West Ham was the first one. I remember they had a few of the MOTD landmarks, such as the first one broadcast and I seem to recall the West ham game heralded as the beginning of a new era. As the others say, a fascinating list and excellent information. I'd be keen to watch Forest v Everton, even though we(EFC) lost 3-2, on the day Foinavon won the Grand National.
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Oct 27, 2006 22:13:58 GMT
Excelent information Andrew, very informative. I would recomend John Motson's book MOTD - The Complete Record which lists details of all the matches covered since 1964. Did you get a chance to check the 1970's editions on Infax Andrew? I suspect most of them will be preserved.
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Post by bobpedley on Oct 29, 2006 0:09:23 GMT
Thanks Andrew for that list of extant Match of the Day’s, which has value over the John Motson’s book in that the 1969-70 season had regional outtakes with only the main ‘nationwide game’ being listed in Mr Motson’s tome.
May I add some remarks on some of the points raised by the list? Except for the autumn of 1964 when perhaps 2 months worth are missing [and I strongly suspect that European and International matches may also be missing from that time] a few of the gap’s in Andrew’s list do exist and others may under other names. For example ‘FA cup night’ or the like. I have a clip of David Coleman calling from a Chelsea v Ipswich cup tie of 27 January 1968 and it is in Infax as ext LOS5454R. Similarly the 12 August 1967 exists but was on BBC II [in colour-the first so in Europe, although I assume only a telerecording exists] and was probably billed as the ‘FA Charity shield’. This leads me to the question of colour as clips undoubtedly exist prior to 5th December 1970 as noted by Andrew.
I have the following: November 2 1968 [on BBC II] Chelsea v Man City [called by Kenneth Wolstonholme] a goal from Osgood March 29 1969 Man City v Stoke C [all the goals] called by Alan Weeks April 19th 1969 Leeds v Leicester [both goals] called by David Coleman.
I have often thought that the latter 2 games, which were not on BBC II may have been so covered so to gather colour VT for FA cup final previews, which was of course televised as such [and is available in full, in colour on dvd] that year.
In 1969-70 many of the matches have existing colour clips. 23 August 1969 Man City v Everton 27 Sep 1969 Man Utd v West Ham [5-2 all the goals are there including a beauty by Best on a quite glorious day recorded although not evidently televised, in the most splendid colour] 4 Oct 1969 Wolves v Everton 25 Oct 1969 Leeds [in red I think] v Derby 1 Nov 1969 Man Utd v Stoke 15 Nov 1969 Liverpool v West Ham [the first colour tramsmission] and every nationwide game that I have clips from [which is most] from then until the end of the season. Decent chunks of the Chelsea v Burnley FA cup tie of 24 January 1970 is available on colour VT, ie: more then just the goals [perhaps 15-20 minutes].
Other midweek matches from the autumn of 1969 have colour clips one which I have is of a Fairs cup tie between Arsenal and Sporting Lisbon [Radford scores on the turn] as well as League cup ties between Man Utd and Derby and the Semi of the compettion between Man Utd and Man City.
All of these were on BBC videos from the 1990’s, which were terrific highlights packages. Somewhere at BBC sport there is a most spectacular colour VT highlights reel from the late 1960’s! Just release that on dvd as there would be plenty of Best, Charlton, Law, Bell etc.
thanks Robert Pedley
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