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Post by sonnybh on May 1, 2023 11:17:25 GMT
I've got mixed feelings about doing this, while I'm all for re-colourising things that only currently exist in black & white, but apart from the odd one done for the novelty value feel that monochrome films & programmes should be left that way.
It's interesting that the American shows where the earlier episodes were black & white don't seem to have been colourised to make for a bigger syndication package.
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Post by josephsenior on May 1, 2023 13:49:26 GMT
I've got mixed feelings about doing this, while I'm all for re-colourising things that only currently exist in black & white, but apart from the odd one done for the novelty value feel that monochrome films & programmes should be left that way. It's interesting that the American shows where the earlier episodes were black & white don't seem to have been colourised to make for a bigger syndication package. I share the same concerns. The way I see it though is as long as the original copies still exist and aren't buried by the colourisations then they are okay. More of the same shows you love different ways of appreciating them. For Doctor Who we have the animations and those are considered to be valid ways of watching them, doesn't mean that the surviving episodes are invalid. We will most likely see more colourisations as long as we still have the original episodes and they aren't treated like an extra piece I don't mind.
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Post by michaelhinkson on May 1, 2023 16:21:28 GMT
AI then hand fixing is the way. New colourisation tools are leaps and bounds ahead of where they were even 5 years ago. Yes all doctor who will be in colour this decade, if it will be official is another matter. I'd also like to see The Avengers early eps in colour too. Well in a way you are correct. There is a colourized version of every episode out there and has been since early 2020. A fellow going by jamesknox817/Dan Knox posted back in March of 2020 on 2 separate accounts every existing B&W episode on the internet archive in "colour." It is not good quality by any means, like one can say there are animated episodes of every missing episodes as well. They are not up to high standards by any means but they are still out there for people to see. The colourizing reminds me of what can be done using the Myhearitage photo colourizing tool. It probably done using said tool since the release of the episodes was only a month or two after the tool was released. Sadly the Dan Knox account seems to be have got deleted and some episodes are no longer on the archive. So a small handful of episodes are missing from this collection 5 episodes total, Planet of Giants 1-3 and Wheel in Space 3&6. Here is an example of what jamesknox817 did. It isn't the highest of quality but it does show how the tools are going. I took a look at Celestial Toymaker 4 and while it is washed out the tool did get the colours of the Toymakers costume quite close. I didn't know that people didn't know about these. So I thought I would share them. If anything it is good example of how this early tech can make these episodes look.
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Post by Ralph Rose on May 1, 2023 17:49:43 GMT
I've got mixed feelings about doing this, while I'm all for re-colourising things that only currently exist in black & white, but apart from the odd one done for the novelty value feel that monochrome films & programmes should be left that way. It's interesting that the American shows where the earlier episodes were black & white don't seem to have been colourised to make for a bigger syndication package. It depends on the program and the company who owns them. Gilligan's Island season 1 and I Dream of Jeannie Season 1 have both been colorized for syndication as examples.
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Post by jcoleman on May 1, 2023 18:09:53 GMT
The problem with colourising black and white Doctor Who (and black and white programmes in general) is that the colours chosen are usually lifted from set photos and fail to take into account that those colours were chosen for how they would make things look in black and white. As a result, the end results are often strange and garish.
I'm with those who are all for restoring colour to the Pertwee episodes but see no reason to add colour Hartnell's and Troughton's which was not nor ever intended to be there.
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Post by scotttelfer on May 1, 2023 19:54:10 GMT
The problem with colourising black and white Doctor Who (and black and white programmes in general) is that the colours chosen are usually lifted from set photos and fail to take into account that those colours were chosen for how they would make things look in black and white. As a result, the end results are often strange and garish. I'm with those who are all for restoring colour to the Pertwee episodes but see no reason to add colour Hartnell's and Troughton's which was not nor ever intended to be there.
Most of that can be sorted by human oversight. Black and white was a limitation, it can work as long as someone is around to say "the TARDIS console should be white and not a dull green". Personally, I'll be sticking to the black and white versions, but I know a lot of people who are put off by it and if removing that one obstacle gets more people to appreciate older television then I'm all for it.
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Post by sonnybh on May 1, 2023 20:28:32 GMT
I've got mixed feelings about doing this, while I'm all for re-colourising things that only currently exist in black & white, but apart from the odd one done for the novelty value feel that monochrome films & programmes should be left that way. It's interesting that the American shows where the earlier episodes were black & white don't seem to have been colourised to make for a bigger syndication package. It depends on the program and the company who owns them. Gilligan's Island season 1 and I Dream of Jeannie Season 1 have both been colorized for syndication as examples. I wasn't sure which American series have been colourised, I was thinking of ones like The Man From UNCLE & Lost In Space.
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Post by John Wall on May 1, 2023 20:54:56 GMT
At the end of the day it comes down to sales. It would probably be easy to offer a colourised option on BluRay disks - the space is there - but you’re talkin’ ‘bout 40+ episode 60s seasons. If we were still on DVD releases it might have been possible to try colourised episodes as an option on a SE release of, say, a four parter and gauge the reaction.
I have absolutely no idea whether the extra cost would be recouped.
As I’ve previously stated my No.1 priority is IotD1.
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