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Post by John R on Nov 1, 2003 0:58:38 GMT
Most new documentaries always use older ones as a source of clips because it's easier and cheaper (all the clearances get taken care of at once, I think). Someone must have used a b/w Q5 clip from the colour episode in a programme a long time ago - maybe for a documentary produced entirely on film, and this programme (or one that used material from it) has ended up being used ever-since as source material. Sometimes Jon Pertwee Dr Who material still turns up in b/w for the same reason (it's easier to get the Whose Dr Who documentary than to get separate copies of the individual episodes, even when they might be in better quality).
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Post by David Savage on Nov 1, 2003 8:47:24 GMT
"Most new documentaries always use older ones as a source of clips because it's easier and cheaper (all the clearances get taken care of at once, I think). "
Oh, yes, it's so common now for researchers to keep swopping tapes to keep it cheap, so you keep seeing the same clips crop up; sometimes twice a week - but that's not usually the way with John (Heroes of Comedy) Fisher's programmes - he hires a knowledgable and informed film historian who really researches and digs up the rare stuff.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 1, 2003 19:45:39 GMT
Yes, I recall Spike giving an interview to promote the "Best Of Q" VHS release many years back now and he was bemoaning the total loss of his personal favourite of the run - Q5 - which was why no clips were included. So obviously the three editions weren't available to use back then. They must all have been unearthed since. That was why I was surprised to discover that not one but three shows had surfaced during the intervening years.
The elephant gag was, I believe, Q5. Checking the episode listings, Secombe and Raymond Francis (who both guest in that clip one way or another) were in that existing colour edition. I just remembered that the documentary that used the clip was "The Other Spike", a Ch.4 programme from the '80s. I have it on tape somewhere.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 1, 2003 19:49:42 GMT
On thinking about it, the documentary was actually called "Spike". "The Other Spike" was a Granada documentary from about 1970 that looked at Spike's history of mental problems. A clip from this was also used in the documentary, which is why I confused the two.
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Post by David Savage on Nov 1, 2003 20:39:15 GMT
"Yes, I recall Spike giving an interview to promote the "Best Of Q" VHS release many years back now and he was bemoaning the total loss of his personal favourite of the run - Q5 - which was why no clips were included."
The surprising impression given in these interviews at the time also seemed to be (perhaps mistakenly - or perhaps Spike had only just heard about it) that the series had only been wiped very recently.
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Post by dubs on Nov 2, 2003 0:04:55 GMT
Anyone have a clue/sketch breakdown about the elusive Q5 episode?
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Post by Harry on Nov 2, 2003 10:52:37 GMT
Which elusive episode in particular? Three exist and four are missing.
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Post by Adam Duncan on Nov 2, 2003 11:00:48 GMT
The PAL colour one.
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Post by dubs on Nov 2, 2003 23:34:22 GMT
Yes - the errr colour one left from 14/4/69.
By the way - was it six or seven episodes?
The Mausoleum Club lists 28/4/69 as episode 6, but Kal 95 ends the run a week later on 5/5/69 as episode 7.
(Apart from the compilation listed at Mausoleum as 14/9/69 - not listed in Kal at-all).
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Post by David Savage on Nov 3, 2003 18:02:24 GMT
Seven; 31st March to 5th May.
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Post by dubs on Nov 4, 2003 0:11:47 GMT
Corrr!
Thats an extra one missing then (or 2 if you count the compilation).
Thanks for clarifying David.
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Post by dubs on Nov 4, 2003 0:16:19 GMT
PS - wouldn't it be nice to have "Oh In Colour" released on b/w, but just splice the amazing title sequence in from the colour VT clip that exists ?
I'm sure I could hear Spike laughing over the irony.
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Post by Andy Henderson on Nov 5, 2003 0:04:56 GMT
I'm sure he's still laughing at his
'Dad, Dad, what's a lesbian? .........Ask your mother, he knows' line.
But then that is very un-pc these days (and that was one of the weaker ones!).
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Post by dubs on Nov 6, 2003 2:16:39 GMT
Just watching the tribute programme again "Spike Milligan - The Last Goon", it also has the disembodied voice of Secombe eminating from an elephant.
In colour - I reckon its from Q5, either the colour VT or a film insert, cos it looks like 35mm, compared to 16mm of later series (see Python etc).
Milligan: - "How did you get in there?"
Secombe : - "I know the right kind of people".
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 6, 2003 10:48:42 GMT
Yes, that's the clip I meant. I'd forgotten it was re-used in that other docu. What a great line!
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