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Post by RWels on Apr 9, 2023 9:36:49 GMT
You could buy an NTSC Sony b/w model videocorder tcv-2020 in America in 1965. The unit sold for $1,400 including the CVC-2000 camera. It was, essentially, what we would call a camcorder, and it was intended to replace the super 8 cine camera. But that gives some idea of the price of this type of technology in the 1960s. It also emphasises that this technology was developed in Japan, and used the NTSC tv system, and was sold in Japan and North America, where the broadcasters all used NTSC, so could not be bought by anyone for use in England. Actually even that doesn't give a good idea because that kind of money in 1965 is worth nearly ten times as much today... so it was nearly 14k in today's dollars. It seems fairly certain that a 405 line variant did exist. After all, we have the recordings. Not in 1965 of course, but it was there by mid-1967. A handful of people bought them who could somehow afford it. (Similarly, the Melbourne Man bought various umatic decks as time went by, never even taping over any cassette... and those systems were definitely not intended for the (non-existent) home video market.)
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Post by sonnybh on Apr 15, 2023 11:16:13 GMT
Was Ringo Starr an early video adaptor?
I've heard he collected a lot of film, but sadly lost most if not all of it in a house fire!
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Post by John Wall on Apr 15, 2023 19:24:12 GMT
Was Ringo Starr an early video adaptor? I've heard he collected a lot of film, but sadly lost most if not all of it in a house fire! He likes TTTA, perhaps DW too?
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Post by Peter Stirling on Apr 16, 2023 12:58:42 GMT
You could buy an NTSC Sony b/w model videocorder tcv-2020 in America in 1965. The unit sold for $1,400 including the CVC-2000 camera. It was, essentially, what we would call a camcorder, and it was intended to replace the super 8 cine camera. But that gives some idea of the price of this type of technology in the 1960s. It also emphasises that this technology was developed in Japan, and used the NTSC tv system, and was sold in Japan and North America, where the broadcasters all used NTSC, so could not be bought by anyone for use in England. Actually even that doesn't give a good idea because that kind of money in 1965 is worth nearly ten times as much today... so it was nearly 14k in today's dollars. It seems fairly certain that a 405 line variant did exist. After all, we have the recordings. Not in 1965 of course, but it was there by mid-1967. A handful of people bought them who could somehow afford it. (Similarly, the Melbourne Man bought various umatic decks as time went by, never even taping over any cassette... and those systems were definitely not intended for the (non-existent) home video market.) I think the Philips European system pre- dates the Sony system and can be seen in 'The Baron' episode 'Diplomatic Immunity ' Some of these had an ingenious way of picking up TV signals - an extension cord with a cap to fit over the top of the appropiate RF valve (AKA tube) in a tv set, thus having an isolated input to the VTR.
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Post by John Wall on Apr 16, 2023 13:08:35 GMT
Was Ringo Starr an early video adaptor? I've heard he collected a lot of film, but sadly lost most if not all of it in a house fire! He likes TTTA, perhaps DW too? Oops, TTTE 👍
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Post by Al Hine on Apr 16, 2023 14:04:05 GMT
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Post by RWels on Apr 16, 2023 15:37:02 GMT
Actually even that doesn't give a good idea because that kind of money in 1965 is worth nearly ten times as much today... so it was nearly 14k in today's dollars. It seems fairly certain that a 405 line variant did exist. After all, we have the recordings. Not in 1965 of course, but it was there by mid-1967. A handful of people bought them who could somehow afford it. (Similarly, the Melbourne Man bought various umatic decks as time went by, never even taping over any cassette... and those systems were definitely not intended for the (non-existent) home video market.) I think the Philips European system pre- dates the Sony system and can be seen in 'The Baron' episode 'Diplomatic Immunity ' Some of these had an ingenious way of picking up TV signals - an extension cord with a cap to fit over the top of the appropiate RF valve (AKA tube) in a tv set, thus having an isolated input to the VTR. The EL3400 or the LDL1001 for example. Yes, but I have absolutely no idea if a 405 line version existed. Off air recordings are known to exist, such as the Dutch coverage of the moon landing, but also a recording from November 1967 of one of Holland's most wanted programs.
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Post by andyparting on Apr 16, 2023 15:52:39 GMT
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Apr 16, 2023 22:45:35 GMT
The EL3400 or the LDL1001 for example. Yes, but I have absolutely no idea if a 405 line version existed. Off air recordings are known to exist, such as the Dutch coverage of the moon landing, but also a recording from November 1967 of one of Holland's most wanted programs. The EL3400, like the Peto Scott models it was based on could record 405 line and 625 line, just like U-matic and VHS can. Paul
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Post by RWels on Apr 17, 2023 7:03:02 GMT
The EL3400 or the LDL1001 for example. Yes, but I have absolutely no idea if a 405 line version existed. Off air recordings are known to exist, such as the Dutch coverage of the moon landing, but also a recording from November 1967 of one of Holland's most wanted programs. The EL3400, like the Peto Scott models it was based on could record 405 line and 625 line, just like U-matic and VHS can. Paul Really? I had no idea that VHS could do that! (Surely 405 lines was on its last legs by then, and also just b/w?)
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Post by Richard Develyn on Apr 17, 2023 11:01:33 GMT
All these machines sitting in museums, do they actually still work?
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Post by RWels on Apr 17, 2023 11:18:46 GMT
All these machines sitting in museums, do they actually still work? Sometimes - well, I expect, by now, always - the drive belts needed replacing and also some of the electronic components. You sometimes read how this and that capacitor was inferior and how they used germanian diodes which is clearly a bad thing, and things like that.
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Post by John Wall on Apr 17, 2023 11:41:10 GMT
All these machines sitting in museums, do they actually still work? Sometimes - well, I expect, by now, always - the drive belts needed replacing and also some of the electronic components. You sometimes read how this and that capacitor was inferior and how they used germanian diodes which is clearly a bad thing, and things like that. I’d be very concerned about old electrolytic capacitors in power supplies.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Apr 17, 2023 12:00:45 GMT
A connected question, and perhaps the whole point of my original question, is, were we to find old video tapes of -whatever- format, would we be able to play them?
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Post by RWels on Apr 17, 2023 12:22:50 GMT
A connected question, and perhaps the whole point of my original question, is, were we to find old video tapes of -whatever- format, would we be able to play them? Yes, I don't think there's any format that can't be played back. I saw a blog just a week or two ago of a repair man who fixed a Sony open reel; and afterwards it turned out it was intended for ITV, to copy some Dick Emery material I think it was. Copying 405 line material properly used to be a problem. That's why you'll find some old programs as "optical transfers" = nice words for a primitive set-up, a camera pointed at a TV.
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