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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Apr 12, 2020 20:00:39 GMT
Any of the members know what Ian Levene's take is on this if any?I'd be interested in his insight.
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Post by Robert Lia on Apr 12, 2020 20:18:30 GMT
I'm also grateful for all the PM has done for fandom over the years but in the modern reality of missing episodes. IF you have no news that you can share with every one then keep it to your self. All it does is create needless stress and speculation amongst the fans. Its great to know that 6 episodes are out therein private collectors hands though but I am letting it go at that. I have no idea of the names of the missing episodes but if I did know I would probably get worked up over knowing exactly what exists that I cant see now or perhaps will never be able to see.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Apr 12, 2020 21:00:50 GMT
I'm also grateful for all the PM has done for fandom over the years but in the modern reality of missing episodes. IF you have no news that you can share with every one then keep it to your self. All it does is create needless stress and speculation amongst the fans. Its great to know that 6 episodes are out therein private collectors hands though but I am letting it go at that. I have no idea of the names of the missing episodes but if I did know I would probably get worked up over knowing exactly what exists that I cant see now or perhaps will never be able to see. I would like to think we will see them soon.PM wouldn't cause the collectors such potential stress and admit their existence if it was a dead end.Watch this space...
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Post by timmunton on Apr 12, 2020 22:31:55 GMT
Re. PM's words which I mentioned in my last post, Andy Eves said : "He's been saying that for years" -
That's what I meant when I said his hint was "of the same type as of yore". I do however feel he may well actually have some as yet undisclosed missing episodes. I probably feel it's about two thirds likely he has and a third likelihood that he hasn't. He's done some amazing work and I hope, after all the hints, he hasn't wrongly implied he has more. Apart from anything else I doubt he'd want to look silly, in say another ten years from now (to those of us still here then!), if he's returned nothing further at that point.
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Post by Robert Lia on Apr 12, 2020 23:35:07 GMT
I'm also grateful for all the PM has done for fandom over the years but in the modern reality of missing episodes. IF you have no news that you can share with every one then keep it to your self. All it does is create needless stress and speculation amongst the fans. Its great to know that 6 episodes are out therein private collectors hands though but I am letting it go at that. I have no idea of the names of the missing episodes but if I did know I would probably get worked up over knowing exactly what exists that I cant see now or perhaps will never be able to see. I would like to think we will see them soon.PM wouldn't cause the collectors such potential stress and admit their existence if it was a dead end.Watch this space... I have been watching this space since back in 1999 when this forum first got started. I've seen a lot of hope and heart break over the years plus of course some very good success stories as well. Ill keep watching this space as well but knowing something officially exists some where and not being able to see it is a bit stressful. Perhaps with everything that is going on in the world is adding to that stress on my end but I still have hope for more returns.
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Post by zaqwilson on Apr 13, 2020 4:52:47 GMT
Since PV'S inverview where he discussed 2 ME'S existing in a private collection, I have pondered why it was said.
I can't imagine stating that pubically would have aNY positive influence on a recovery. All I Can conclude is to create buzz for armchair experts to dissect or to fan the embers of hope that more exist.
Now PM'S 6 ME'S in private hands statment makes me pessimistic. WOF 3 "were close, we're on top of that, etc" 7-8 years later and just more statments. It's just optimism to create buzz. If there were 6 in some form of negotiation or not, making light of them seems to be counter productive. Expect the unexpected or expect 6 at some point.
In retrospect too many statments are contradictory. Are they off the cuff? Shoot from the hip? Product of the emotional whim of the moment? Current conjecture subject to change without notice?
I wonder if the buzz PV generated by invoking 2 in private hands was coveted and thus by increasing the claim by a factor of three would shift the buzz back, three times more intense. A little redirecting of the spotlight?
I think the silence by the inner circle says a bit. It neither confirm s oR denies. I suspect they sit back and watch The speculative sparks fly, as they sit back and smile as a statment generates so much debate and analysis in An infomation vaccume.
I'm great full to PM and everyone else's efforts, but I grow tired of these statments. It feels like bait.
There are more to come. Heaven only knows what or when. But please, show me, don't tell me. The carrot just out of reach grows old.... after all, the carrot is getting wilted and smells.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Apr 13, 2020 5:31:16 GMT
Cant help agreeing with most of you, despite my original post, I am heartened to see that most of you agree that despite our gratitude over the 9 Who eps, Phil should know better than keeping hanging carrots, wilted or not, He knows exactly what it does and it just opens up cans of works, full of resentment and frustration. We do rather expect better of him, as he is the one pulling the strings, we are the sad buggers watching.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Apr 13, 2020 5:32:00 GMT
That's worms,,,,not works, ..
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Post by Alistair Gordon on Apr 13, 2020 10:08:25 GMT
I'm also grateful for all the PM has done for fandom over the years but in the modern reality of missing episodes. IF you have no news that you can share with every one then keep it to your self. All it does is create needless stress and speculation amongst the fans. Its great to know that 6 episodes are out therein private collectors hands though but I am letting it go at that. I have no idea of the names of the missing episodes but if I did know I would probably get worked up over knowing exactly what exists that I cant see now or perhaps will never be able to see. I didn't realise that Boris had done anything to help recover missing episodes!
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Post by zaqwilson on Apr 13, 2020 10:57:09 GMT
Lol, back in 13 the first article I read after seeing 9 eps recovered in my news feed said "Dr Who episodes feared lost for almost 50 years recovered thanks to Phillip Morris."
My first thought "Seriously?! They were found by a tobacco company?"
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Apr 13, 2020 11:16:26 GMT
When Paul made his reveal it had a lot of credibility for me. Largely because Paul has always been one to be cautious with matters like this. His usual answers is that he wouldn’t say anything to jeopardize any process. My thought is that it means he knows those two episodes are in a position to be safe regardless of what ever someone says on the Internet... and that there must be some sort of benefit for letting fans know early that they exist in private hands. Or at the least there would be no detriment.
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Post by Ken Jacowitz on Apr 21, 2020 10:26:37 GMT
Not Doctor Who, but I personally know of several media collections which are forever lost because the owner died and the family dumped it. Decades of movie posters a movie theatre owner in Tampa, Florida kept. Tossed by his son. Decades of local New York and New Jersey television home taped. Dumped by Mother. A lost movie, Treasure Island, 1920. Directed by Maurice Tourneu and starring Lon Chaney and Charles Ogle. Found by a man hired to clean out a house in the mid-west. Tossed because when played the movie had no sound.
My only suggestion to Philip Morris is to ask whoever holds missing television shows and Doctor Who particular to have a will (not everybody does). And add to that will that Morris be notified of their passing so he knows the chain of custody. And maybe, let Morris or the BBC inherit the episodes.
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Post by RhysH on Apr 21, 2020 11:00:01 GMT
Couldn't agree more. So important (especially with all that is going on in the world at the moment), for collectors of episodes (and other rare items you describe) that would bring such happiness to so many, to have put the steps in place for them not to be junked again. Might be controversial, but I'm appreciative that there are these collectors out there as without them, there are a lot of episodes that would have been long gone by now.
I really enjoyed the interview with Phil and am really grateful for all he and the others involved in the search are doing for us. Love this show and being one of those that grew up in the mid to late Tom Baker era, it's such a shame not to have had the opportunity to have watched some of those early classic's. It's great when the animations are released, but it would be amazing to see the original episodes, and this interview gives us hope.
Fingers crossed for good news in the future. Keep safe everyone!
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Post by odysseaschristou on Apr 21, 2020 11:28:11 GMT
What a good idea damonh, but at the same time it's sad that so much is lost, and to think how important the material is to the collectors in the first place.
They go to such lengths to acquire their collections and keep them secret only for their families to just disregard such treasures.
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Post by RhysH on Apr 21, 2020 11:41:47 GMT
Absolutely. I don't understand the need to have it all to yourself and deny so many from ever seeing those magical early episodes.
But totally agree with you - if they love these treasures so much, it just doesn't make sense for them to not put any plans in place for after they have gone and leave them to be destroyed.
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