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Post by John Wall on Oct 10, 2019 17:07:03 GMT
It’s now five years since the official announcement of the return of all bar Episode 3 of WoF together with all that was missing of EotW - and we now know that PM actually located them in late 2011.
The omnirumour - as some of us quickly spotted - was little more than an omnishambles and it’s difficult to believe that there are many, if any, places that PM is yet to get into.
Unless we believe - and I don’t - that PM has a sock drawer full of MEs the well is looking increasingly dry👎
Probably the best hope for the future is collectors - odd MEs recovered from the destruction pile.
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 10, 2019 21:53:40 GMT
I never believed in the Omni rumor and those who were so sure of there facts back then that had "inside connections" feeding them all that what turned out to be "Fake News" that they shared as fact here and in other places. Best one I remember was one of them replying when I posted that I had spoken personally to one of the Restoration Team and they new nothing about so called episode's being recovered. There come back was there "highly placed" sources "in the BBC" told them here were so many episodes being restored that there were "multiple restoration teams" being used.
Hard to believe how much "Fake News" was going around fandom back then. Personally I wish they were correct and we had more episodes recovered but after 5 years we would have had a release by now or an announcement that several Dr. Who episode's that were recovered were damaged beyond repair.
But that did not happen.
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Post by Darren Jones on Oct 10, 2019 23:35:17 GMT
I agree that it is looking less likely everyday that new MEs will come to light. But then everyone was thinking the same before EotW and TWoF came to light. Unfortunately we cannot prove a negative. So until every square foot of the surface of the earth has been searched, we will never know.
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 11, 2019 1:21:03 GMT
I searched two more small Philippine Island's in September 2019 and can sadly certify them missing episode free
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Post by Alistair Gordon on Oct 11, 2019 8:21:07 GMT
It’s now five years since the official announcement of the return of all bar Episode 3 of WoF together with all that was missing of EotW - and we now know that PM actually located them in late 2011. The omnirumour - as some of us quickly spotted - was little more than an omnishambles and it’s difficult to believe that there are many, if any, places that PM is yet to get into. Unless we believe - and I don’t - that PM has a sock drawer full of MEs the well is looking increasingly dry👎 Probably the best hope for the future is collectors - odd MEs recovered from the destruction pile. It's actually 6 years since last recovery.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 11, 2019 9:03:02 GMT
It’s now five years since the official announcement of the return of all bar Episode 3 of WoF together with all that was missing of EotW - and we now know that PM actually located them in late 2011. The omnirumour - as some of us quickly spotted - was little more than an omnishambles and it’s difficult to believe that there are many, if any, places that PM is yet to get into. Unless we believe - and I don’t - that PM has a sock drawer full of MEs the well is looking increasingly dry👎 Probably the best hope for the future is collectors - odd MEs recovered from the destruction pile. It's actually 6 years since last recovery. Oops!
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Post by Vaughan Stanger on Oct 11, 2019 9:11:18 GMT
It's actually 6 years since last recovery. Oops! And it feels more like sixteen.
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Post by Greg H on Oct 11, 2019 19:28:57 GMT
As someone uttered the dread neologism 'omnirumour', isn't it high time that someone with the social skills of a gnat appeared and started screaming at everyone that they have something or other 'on good authority' and anyone who doesn't believe them must be sent to the Nimon as an unbeliever?
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Post by Dan Kolb on Oct 12, 2019 18:35:22 GMT
I searched two more small Philippine Island's in September 2019 and can sadly certify them missing episode free Unfortunately, a British film collector has just moved there after hiding out in Tristan da Cunha for 10 years and has taken his pristine copy of Mission To The Unknown with him. Like Phil, your search will never really end!
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Post by Greg H on Oct 13, 2019 18:05:09 GMT
Out of morbid curiosity........... is the omnirumour still rumbling on in fandom in general? Is it something that people are still endlessly speculating about, bickering over and parsing the bowl movements of some guy who stood next to a telly that had received 'the massacre'? Is there still absolute faith that every missing episode is coming back next week, or the week after, or the week after, or the week after.................... Honestly curious.
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Post by cjones on Oct 13, 2019 20:20:35 GMT
I can't think that, of those people who believed in the omnirumour, any continue to do so. For my part, I entertained substantial hopes that Marco Polo had been found, simply because it was mentioned in conjunction with Enemy and Web so frequently. If that is true, however, I can only think that the gap between discovery around the turn of the decade and today without an announcement can only mean it is in such poor condition that it is irrecoverable.
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Post by Scot Ferre on Oct 14, 2019 2:44:26 GMT
Out of morbid curiosity........... is the omnirumour still rumbling on in fandom in general? Is it something that people are still endlessly speculating about, bickering over and parsing the bowl movements of some guy who stood next to a telly that had received 'the massacre'? Is there still absolute faith that every missing episode is coming back next week, or the week after, or the week after, or the week after.................... Honestly curious. It's really on the backburner, at best. People do still wonder at what happened after years of searching by TIEA - no full accounting has occurred yet. Until then, most people just lumber on. The Ominrumor is just that - a rumor at this point, but not generating pages like it did a few years ago.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 14, 2019 9:07:28 GMT
The big problem, as I’m sure I’ve outlined before, is that TV stations move location, etc - for various reasons - and that inevitably results in a clearout. One of the reasons the BBC built TV Centre was that BBC2 and colour were on the way. Many, if not most, of the world’s TV stations have done the same. It was only somewhere like Nigeria that PM could find a building in the second decade of the 21st Century that had been ignored/forgotten/untouched since the 1970s - and the chances of any more, that PM hasn’t visited, is as close to zero as makes no difference. About the only, remote, hope is that prints survived - i.e., they hadn’t been returned to London or destroyed - and were “rescued” by a local.
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Post by richardwoods on Oct 14, 2019 10:22:50 GMT
The big problem, as I’m sure I’ve outlined before, is that TV stations move location, etc - for various reasons - and that inevitably results in a clearout. One of the reasons the BBC built TV Centre was that BBC2 and colour were on the way. Many, if not most, of the world’s TV stations have done the same. It was only somewhere like Nigeria that PM could find a building in the second decade of the 21st Century that had been ignored/forgotten/untouched since the 1970s - and the chances of any more, that PM hasn’t visited, is as close to zero as makes no difference. About the only, remote, hope is that prints survived - i.e., they hadn’t been returned to London or destroyed - and were “rescued” by a local. A good point but even in Europe buildings or areas in buildings are sometimes forgotten, for example Hendrix’s flat in Paris remained locked up for 30 years, & not that long ago a 200 year old cask of scotch was discovered undisturbed in the back of a warehouse so never say never.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 14, 2019 13:41:58 GMT
The big problem, as I’m sure I’ve outlined before, is that TV stations move location, etc - for various reasons - and that inevitably results in a clearout. One of the reasons the BBC built TV Centre was that BBC2 and colour were on the way. Many, if not most, of the world’s TV stations have done the same. It was only somewhere like Nigeria that PM could find a building in the second decade of the 21st Century that had been ignored/forgotten/untouched since the 1970s - and the chances of any more, that PM hasn’t visited, is as close to zero as makes no difference. About the only, remote, hope is that prints survived - i.e., they hadn’t been returned to London or destroyed - and were “rescued” by a local. A good point but even in Europe buildings or areas in buildings are sometimes forgotten, for example Hendrix’s flat in Paris remained locked up for 30 years, & not that long ago a 200 year old cask of scotch was discovered undisturbed in the back of a warehouse so never say never. If you’re in, or near, the centre of a capital city that’s extremely unlikely 👎 You’re probably selling off the building/site as part of the project. I also recall suggesting that it might be worth looking for 16mm collectors in places where prints could have ended up. An obvious candidate would be Singapore where some B&W stories finished up and there’s no definite information as to whether they were destroyed or returned to London. Although I can’t prove it I’d lay good money that the broadcaster has relocated or redeveloped their site at least once since they showed B&W Dr Who. We know that prints were “liberated” from the destruction pile at the BBC, could something similar have happened in Singapore? There are a lot of ifs involved and I’ve no idea whether anybody there collects, or collected, 16mm prints.
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