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Post by richardwoods on Jun 16, 2019 13:24:49 GMT
Being born in the 1980's is close enough to the black and white era. We still could buy black and white TV's (I know I had one in my bed room until 1983). My wife's country the Philippines still regularly sold black and white TVs as late as 1990 when I ended my tour of duty. Growing up in the 60's and 70's even after color came to the USA we still had many black and white shows repeated (unlike today) So for me its no big deal to watch and enjoy in black and white I will say though that my wife born in 1986 cant stand a minute of black and white TV. I tried to get her to watch William Hartnell and it was like pulling teeth. She just could not relate to it having grown up with color TV as all she could remember. Still colorization of old black and white material is clearly in the future and it will come. They released a Lost in Space Blue Ray of the new series with a colorized version of the pilot film on it. People are split on it. Every one agrees that it looks nice in black and white but many say it was shot and the lighting was done for black and white and it doesn't look natural. I was born in 1986 and love the William Hartnell era more than any other, so I don't agree you need to be born in the B&W era to appreciate it. I agree on the colourisation point, it'll open 60's Dr. Who up to a whole new audience that wouldn't otherwise watch it. I'm working with a team to colourise an entire episode from the Hartnell era. It's all being done manually, by hand, with the utmost care and attention. A real labour of love but it shows in the results I think. 1986 Mr Tipple, you are making me feel old! Mind you 1963 was a good year in many ways, especially for Dr Who & me, obviously 😂😂😂
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Post by mattg on Jun 16, 2019 15:32:22 GMT
Well, this is, er, good news I suppose. The Faceless Ones....yes. Not a particular favourite of mine I'll admit but I certainly commend the decision to animate all six episodes rather than just the serial's four missing episodes. That said, I also fully appreciate the contention held by many fans that animating existing episodes is a pointless endeavour too. For me however a fully animated story is ultimately more immersive and consistent overall than alternating between the former and live action. Each to their own though! Regardless, I wonder what they'll cut out of the animation this time?! No doubt determining the excised/unanimated material to be 'frivilous' or else irrelevant as before I'll wager. Steelbook version for me again then I think as the Macra' artwork was excellent compared to the regular release...
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Jun 16, 2019 16:58:55 GMT
I was 1990, myself. B&W has always been enjoyable for me... Except for those "Paddy Pelican" cartoons, that is.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jun 18, 2019 3:40:41 GMT
Being born in 1963 I can watch TV on old sets and enjoy it as much as when I watch on a modern flat screen. I just find it funny that some people cant enjoy something made in black and white. After all if you think about it the color black and the color white are colors.
Watched 2 episodes of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea this weekend that were made in 1967 in color and they look great (if not a little cheesy) "Deadly Cloud" and "The Wax Men". After we finish season 4 I think Ill try and tempt the wife into some black and white season 1 shows
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Post by odysseaschristou on Jun 18, 2019 9:41:46 GMT
black and white programs are increasingly not commercially viable beyond an ever aging and decreasing and unattractive to advertisers niche. Old media largely appeals to older people. That doesn't mean we're not entitled to the option. Macra had black and white as an option, so there's no reason why Faceless Ones won't get the same treatment.
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Post by odysseaschristou on Jun 18, 2019 9:42:45 GMT
Opps, sorry missed the post.
I watched both the B&W and Colour versions of The Macra Terror, and have to say that I enjoyed the colour version over the B&W one.
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Jun 18, 2019 11:49:45 GMT
Opps, sorry missed the post. I watched both the B&W and Colour versions of The Macra Terror, and have to say that I enjoyed the colour version over the B&W one. Yeah, for me, the colour one is okay, but I think the reason the b&W appeals to me more is the fact that it WAS black and white originally, and it's more consistent with other animated reconstructions we've had previously. But I guess there's no harm in a colour version for those who like it. This particular reconstruction is a VERY different animal to the ones that came before, after all. It uses up to date techniques to make the Macra more threatening, after all. In the end, it's just nice we can WATCH it, I guess.
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Post by Richard Marple on Jun 18, 2019 12:00:43 GMT
I remember DWM mentioning the Pertwee stories that survive in black & white have a feel of an early 1960s low budget British film, & the earier efforts at recolouring them made them look like 1980s student films.
Things have improved a lot, I was watching Planet Of The Daleks recently, & you would never know part 3 had been recoloured.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Jun 19, 2019 2:50:26 GMT
If you don't like colourisation and you're serious about wanting to watch old shows in black and white, get a modulator and small black and white set.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jun 19, 2019 21:09:52 GMT
Save your money you can simply turn the color down on your current set and if you need to see it in 4 X 3 Blue Ray players five you that option to.
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Post by charles drummel on Jul 11, 2019 18:28:16 GMT
Save your money you can simply turn the color down on your current set and if you need to see it in 4 X 3 Blue Ray players five you that option to. I don't have any need to see things 4:3 unless it's being merged with live action footage, like Shada. But let's not pretend that 'simply turning down the colour' is in any way the same as properly grading material in black and white. You need look no further than Charles Norton's recent article about the making of Macra, to read about how the black and white introductory scene needed to be altered so that clothes were not the same colour as clothing (which happens after a simple conversion). If it's going to be watched in black and white, it should be done properly. Similarly, if they were going to show it in 4:3, it would have needed to be produced with that intent rather than having a player crop it (I'm not sure that option does indeed exist on players, though).
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Post by Robert Lia on Jul 11, 2019 21:14:33 GMT
Well that's why the BBC is currently doing a color and black and white version, you don't need to turn the color down or buy a modulator and a black and white set. If you need to see it in 4 X 3 there are plenty of old televisions around (at least in the USA) that you can connect your DVD player to and watch it the old fashioned way. Granted you may loose a bit of the left and right side of the picture.
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