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Post by adamjordan on Jun 17, 2019 19:37:13 GMT
Would those film strips be playable and are they missing scenes? At first I thought no, but on closer inspection I'm certain at least one of them is missing. Look at the one labelled 3". I've gone through every single surviving clip from Power, and there is never one that looks like that. In the film strip there are clearly three Daleks facing roughly towards the camera and a fourth Dalek angled towards them on the right. There is no surviving shot even remotely similar to it other than one from episode four which I have pictured beside the film strips. This clip in question features three Daleks entering the plotting room, and they take up positions roughly matching those in the strip, however it is the fourth Dalek that causes issues. Pictured is the final frame of the surviving clip, but note, if you will, that the final Dalek is just entering the shot in the last frame whereas, in the film strips, it is visible in shot and in line for several frames. Additionally, the first and second Daleks in line are touching or nearly touching the entire time the body of the last Dalek is in shot whereas they are noticeably separate in the film strip, and this is all assuming that the image on the film strip is flipped from that in the clip. Similarly, I would suggest that strip 1 is part of the existing "Daleks conquer and destroy" bit unless that film strip is not flipped because there is no surviving clip wherein a Dalek goes through that door and exits out of the right of the shot. Finally, I can't make it out very well, but the film strip just peeking out from beneath strip 1 on the far right does not feature any shot I recognize. All of this leads me to conclude that at least one of these strips includes missing footage because no surviving clip has frames that match it. Well hopefully someone will be able to pop down to South Norwood a few days before the auction and ask to inspect the lot in more detail and report back. Heck, I may do it myself. Is there any info yet on when this auction is taking place?
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Post by ajsmith on Jun 20, 2019 0:17:28 GMT
At first I thought no, but on closer inspection I'm certain at least one of them is missing. Look at the one labelled 3". I've gone through every single surviving clip from Power, and there is never one that looks like that. In the film strip there are clearly three Daleks facing roughly towards the camera and a fourth Dalek angled towards them on the right. There is no surviving shot even remotely similar to it other than one from episode four which I have pictured beside the film strips. This clip in question features three Daleks entering the plotting room, and they take up positions roughly matching those in the strip, however it is the fourth Dalek that causes issues. Pictured is the final frame of the surviving clip, but note, if you will, that the final Dalek is just entering the shot in the last frame whereas, in the film strips, it is visible in shot and in line for several frames. Additionally, the first and second Daleks in line are touching or nearly touching the entire time the body of the last Dalek is in shot whereas they are noticeably separate in the film strip, and this is all assuming that the image on the film strip is flipped from that in the clip. Similarly, I would suggest that strip 1 is part of the existing "Daleks conquer and destroy" bit unless that film strip is not flipped because there is no surviving clip wherein a Dalek goes through that door and exits out of the right of the shot. Finally, I can't make it out very well, but the film strip just peeking out from beneath strip 1 on the far right does not feature any shot I recognize. All of this leads me to conclude that at least one of these strips includes missing footage because no surviving clip has frames that match it. Well hopefully someone will be able to pop down to South Norwood a few days before the auction and ask to inspect the lot in more detail and report back. Heck, I may do it myself. Is there any info yet on when this auction is taking place? July 18th according to the link.
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Post by brianfretwell on Jun 22, 2019 8:00:09 GMT
At first I thought no, but on closer inspection I'm certain at least one of them is missing. Look at the one labelled 3". I've gone through every single surviving clip from Power, and there is never one that looks like that. In the film strip there are clearly three Daleks facing roughly towards the camera and a fourth Dalek angled towards them on the right. There is no surviving shot even remotely similar to it other than one from episode four which I have pictured beside the film strips. This clip in question features three Daleks entering the plotting room, and they take up positions roughly matching those in the strip, however it is the fourth Dalek that causes issues. Pictured is the final frame of the surviving clip, but note, if you will, that the final Dalek is just entering the shot in the last frame whereas, in the film strips, it is visible in shot and in line for several frames. Additionally, the first and second Daleks in line are touching or nearly touching the entire time the body of the last Dalek is in shot whereas they are noticeably separate in the film strip, and this is all assuming that the image on the film strip is flipped from that in the clip. Similarly, I would suggest that strip 1 is part of the existing "Daleks conquer and destroy" bit unless that film strip is not flipped because there is no surviving clip wherein a Dalek goes through that door and exits out of the right of the shot. Finally, I can't make it out very well, but the film strip just peeking out from beneath strip 1 on the far right does not feature any shot I recognize. All of this leads me to conclude that at least one of these strips includes missing footage because no surviving clip has frames that match it. Well hopefully someone will be able to pop down to South Norwood a few days before the auction and ask to inspect the lot in more detail and report back. Heck, I may do it myself. Is there any info yet on when this auction is taking place? As it is Rosebery's it is West Norwood (70 - 76 Knights Hill) not South Norwood, which is a couple of miles away. Well down the list in the catalogue, Lot 432 Derek Dodd, British, 1937-2018 a collection of twenty one colour negatives and developed photographs of scenes from the Dr Who series The Power of the Daleks, depicting actors on set, interiors and other scenes, to include a photograph of Pamela Anne Davey as Janley standing next to a console station, a similar scene with her, Patrick Troughton as the Doctor and possibly Michael Craze as Ben Jackson standing next to the console, six scenes with various actors on set, a scene of a Dalek in a corr Estimate£800 - £1,200 Starting£550 Details of Auction viewing:- Auction: Thursday 18 July, starting at 10.30am Viewing Times Friday 12 July 1 pm – 5pm Sunday 14 July 10am – 2pm Monday 15 July 9.30am – 5.30pm Tuesday 16 July 9.30am – 5.30pm Wednesday 17 July 9.30am – 5.30pm Thursday 18 July 9.30am – 10.30am
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Post by adamjordan on Jul 20, 2019 17:05:20 GMT
Anyone know how this auction went? Rosebery's are withholding the hammer price for this lot.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 20, 2019 22:33:46 GMT
Anyone know how this auction went? Rosebery's are withholding the hammer price for this lot. It went for £5200.
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Post by stevegerald on Jul 28, 2019 2:53:52 GMT
I don't know about the others, but strip 1 is clearly moving.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Jul 28, 2019 15:18:30 GMT
I don't know about the others, but strip 1 is clearly moving. It’s moving film. Only 11ish frames each. Dunno what that would look like ... Wonder if there were more frames at some point?
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Post by John Green on Jul 28, 2019 17:14:21 GMT
The Click to Show isn't showing anything for me?
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Post by Nigel Lamb on Jul 28, 2019 19:44:45 GMT
The link to show doesn't work. I can't see anything either.
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Post by stevegerald on Jul 28, 2019 23:51:40 GMT
The link to show doesn't work. I can't see anything either. Oh, you need to be logged in on Gallifreybase, here they are on imgur (plus an extra one): imgur.com/a/EwLM90ZRichard Bignell has said over at Gallifreybase that "They're all moving footage, each 11 or 12 frames long, that came out of the 35mm film camera for the Ealing sequences." Apparently they are NOT from the actual episode, they are film trims. It was mistakenly advertised as "photos used to test lighting conditions" which seemed strange to me. The change in lighting is due to the camera shutter closing. You can see it happening every time a shot changes here (Logopolis film trims): www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8XjBAHbaRY
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Post by Chris Singh on Jul 29, 2019 18:39:39 GMT
There was an interview with a producer or somebody linked to Evil Of The Daleks who said he had film trims from the story in a desk drawer and every now and then he would break off a piece to use as a tooth pick.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 29, 2019 18:55:38 GMT
There was an interview with a producer or somebody linked to Evil Of The Daleks who said he had film trims from the story in a desk drawer and every now and then he would break off a piece to use as a tooth pick. That was visual effect designer, Michaeljohn Harris, whose few frames of model footage we already have.
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Post by George D on Jul 31, 2019 17:31:05 GMT
That's the most unusual way ive heard of to preserve dr who footage. ... use it as toothpicks
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Post by John Green on Jul 31, 2019 17:47:02 GMT
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Aug 2, 2019 17:16:17 GMT
Which aspect? It's the same film trims we were discussing above. Less than half-a-second of material on filmed inserts for Power, that were cut off the pieces that were used in the original production. So nothing missing, because this was material that was never used in the first place. At best, it's some high-quality tele-snaps of scenes that's almost identical to those in Power.
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