|
Post by Vaughan Stanger on Mar 22, 2019 17:17:45 GMT
And that completes Season 6. And possibly the only serial with missing episodes I've not ever once heard a rumour about! Give it time.
|
|
|
Post by scotttelfer on Mar 22, 2019 20:03:08 GMT
I'd think Space Pirates would be relatively simple compared to Crusade - though I confess I've never been able to bring myself to read the book, or listen to the audio. But with a relatively small cast, and all on one or two spacecraft (as far as I know), I'd think the settings would be relatively simple, and minimal, with few wardrobe changes, etc. And that completes Season 6. And possibly the only serial with missing episodes I've not ever once heard a rumour about! Compared to The Crusade, most stories are fairly simple. it wouldn't surprise me if they pushed for The Space Pirates to finish Season 6, but it will be a while away as the BBC seem to be pushing for completely missing stories at the moment.
|
|
Sofia Fox
Member
Favourite Missing Stories: Marco Polo, The Crusade, The Myth Makers, The Macra Terror, and Evil.
Posts: 75
|
Post by Sofia Fox on Mar 25, 2019 4:44:30 GMT
I do wish Myth Makers would be animated. For me it's a bit of an elusive story because the cine clips do not represent the story and it wasn't telesnapped. I love the story as well and would definitely pick it up if they did it.
|
|
|
Post by DavidGreene on Mar 25, 2019 6:54:21 GMT
My guess for the next animation would be The Highlanders, Fury From the Deep or The Wheel in Space. They've already talked about doing the Highlanders (the costumes and locations being the reason why they chose The Macra Terror over it) so going on to do that one would make sense. The Wheel in Space already has some animation complete so makes sense to finish it up. Only reason I could see them wanting to wait is so that they can spread out the "Big Monster" releases. Then Fury From the Deep has a lot of the same positives the animation teams are looking for (Limited location, small cast, more space adventure over historical) but it's 6 episodes long which seems to be possible but there seems to be a preference for 4 praters at the moment
|
|
|
Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Mar 25, 2019 13:35:34 GMT
My guess for the next animation would be The Highlanders, Fury From the Deep or The Wheel in Space. They've already talked about doing the Highlanders (the costumes and locations being the reason why they chose The Macra Terror over it) so going on to do that one would make sense. The Wheel in Space already has some animation complete so makes sense to finish it up. Only reason I could see them wanting to wait is so that they can spread out the "Big Monster" releases. Then Fury From the Deep has a lot of the same positives the animation teams are looking for (Limited location, small cast, more space adventure over historical) but it's 6 episodes long which seems to be possible but there seems to be a preference for 4 praters at the moment I'm not so sure. Power of the Daleks was 6 episodes and Shada, while condensed into movie form, was originally 6 episodes, too. Macra is the first fully animated 4 part story, so I really don't think there's a standard yet when it comes to how many episodes are made for animated reconstruction like this. I DO believe that 4 parts would be ideal though, because, if they had the same budget as Power, that's fewer episodes to animate and therefore more time put into them. As much as I would want Marco Polo to be animated, that would require likely double the budget; not only for the fact it has 7 episodes, but also because of the number of locations. The characters don't stay in one place for too long in that story. I'd say The Myth Makers, The Celestial Toymaker, The Smugglers and The Highlanders would be ideal for animation, as they're very visual stories that you can only get so much out of a reconstruction, and also The Massacre would be good; that one's a dialogue-driven adventure, which would require slightly less work. Myth Makers would be the best choice for me; lots of jokes are lost in the audio soundtracks. Having so many comedic actors involved means that, while you hear a great deal of jokes, you also miss the expressions, double-takes and various VISUAL comedic actions comedy actors have without being able to SEE it. Only time will tell as to whether or not they'll even ANIMATE another episode, and even so, I'm sure we'll be surprised by whatever choice they make; Macra was last on my mind, after all.
|
|
|
Post by richardwoods on Mar 25, 2019 17:05:34 GMT
The Savages anyone?
|
|
|
Post by John Wall on Mar 25, 2019 23:35:46 GMT
At the risk of being a wet blanket or a stuck gramophone record the DVD releases have to make money. I don’t know how many copies have to be sod and how that splits between fans and the general public but I doubt there are enough of “us”.
In terms of cost it’s worth remembering that Daleks and Cybermen don’t have facial expressions and are “big” monsters.
Power must have sold sufficiently well to justify Macra and I hope that’s also a success because this is all like movie stars or playwrights; they’re as good as their next film or play. I’m not sure what effect a release that just about covered its costs or even made a small loss would have - it could well finish the series as there is a limited anmount of money and it has to produce a return on investment.
I’m sure I’ve sad this before but I see Wheel as a very good candidate; it’s a “big” monster story, two episodes exist, it’s unlikely that more are going to turn up and the start of Episode 1 has been done. It would facilitate a Cybermen Blu-ray release.
|
|
|
Post by gregoryfink on Mar 26, 2019 14:18:05 GMT
I think the possibilities in animation are just beginning to be realized at the moment. We have barely scratched at the surface of this method of replacing the missing stories. Advances continue daily in animation and this drives down the cost to make things like who. A good project, and one I think the animators would benefit from, would be getting funding to build a library of character designs and facial movements they could draw on for future projects. If we could help them find money outside of a specific production to say build a library of the main companions of 60's Dr. Who and another fund to digitally recreate the sets (as often pieces were re-used that could be very helpful). The animators could then use the budgets they get to animate the episodes and focus on adding elements they do not yet have to the library. Ultimately they would have enough resources to do all of a doctor's missing stuff.
But let's go further, shall we? Once you have the library built up, have you thought of the possibilities? Big finish with their continuations of the 60's era could be the basis for new video episodes of 60's Dr. Who. Prison in Space anyone?
Cheers!
|
|
|
Post by scotttelfer on Mar 26, 2019 16:55:44 GMT
My guess for the next animation would be The Highlanders, Fury From the Deep or The Wheel in Space. They've already talked about doing the Highlanders (the costumes and locations being the reason why they chose The Macra Terror over it) so going on to do that one would make sense. The Wheel in Space already has some animation complete so makes sense to finish it up. Only reason I could see them wanting to wait is so that they can spread out the "Big Monster" releases. Then Fury From the Deep has a lot of the same positives the animation teams are looking for (Limited location, small cast, more space adventure over historical) but it's 6 episodes long which seems to be possible but there seems to be a preference for 4 praters at the moment I'm not so sure. Power of the Daleks was 6 episodes and Shada, while condensed into movie form, was originally 6 episodes, too. Macra is the first fully animated 4 part story, so I really don't think there's a standard yet when it comes to how many episodes are made for animated reconstruction like this. I DO believe that 4 parts would be ideal though, because, if they had the same budget as Power, that's fewer episodes to animate and therefore more time put into them. As much as I would want Marco Polo to be animated, that would require likely double the budget; not only for the fact it has 7 episodes, but also because of the number of locations. The characters don't stay in one place for too long in that story. I'd say The Myth Makers, The Celestial Toymaker, The Smugglers and The Highlanders would be ideal for animation, as they're very visual stories that you can only get so much out of a reconstruction, and also The Massacre would be good; that one's a dialogue-driven adventure, which would require slightly less work. Myth Makers would be the best choice for me; lots of jokes are lost in the audio soundtracks. Having so many comedic actors involved means that, while you hear a great deal of jokes, you also miss the expressions, double-takes and various VISUAL comedic actions comedy actors have without being able to SEE it. Only time will tell as to whether or not they'll even ANIMATE another episode, and even so, I'm sure we'll be surprised by whatever choice they make; Macra was last on my mind, after all.
I assume from this you've missed the interview quotes which have been circulating around. The Macra Terror fell quite nicely into everything they were looking for (four episodes, small cast, good quality soundtrack to work with).
The Massacre is very definitely off the table at the moment, it's in with Marco Polo and The Crusade as just having far too many assets to animate (just look at the cast list).
At the risk of being a wet blanket or a stuck gramophone record the DVD releases have to make money. I don’t know how many copies have to be sod and how that splits between fans and the general public but I doubt there are enough of “us”. In terms of cost it’s worth remembering that Daleks and Cybermen don’t have facial expressions and are “big” monsters. Power must have sold sufficiently well to justify Macra and I hope that’s also a success because this is all like movie stars or playwrights; they’re as good as their next film or play. I’m not sure what effect a release that just about covered its costs or even made a small loss would have - it could well finish the series as there is a limited anmount of money and it has to produce a return on investment. I’m sure I’ve sad this before but I see Wheel as a very good candidate; it’s a “big” monster story, two episodes exist, it’s unlikely that more are going to turn up and the start of Episode 1 has been done. It would facilitate a Cybermen Blu-ray release.
The Doctor Who range sells well, it's bucked the trend in the market over the collapse of physical media. That's a problem, not because the range might collapse but because the BBC may have another grand regime change at some point and whoever comes in next may look at the range and think "Why the hell are you investing so much money into a dying market?" They aren't going to know that classic Doctor Who is the one exception to the rule. They were fortunate enough to get everything restarted again in 2016, it may be a good idea to keep a safe bet on the table in case the range comes under threat again.
|
|
|
Post by John Wall on Mar 26, 2019 18:00:03 GMT
If something is giving a decent return on investment it’ll continue - irrespective of the regime imho. And that’s my concern, one dud could cause the brakes to be applied. Finish the Cybermen (Wheel) and then there’s Evil. Masterplan is probably unlikely unless a couple more episodes turn up - again unlikely. Faceess Ones has two surviving episodes which are pretty good imho.
|
|
|
Post by michaeltetzlaff on Mar 26, 2019 18:09:49 GMT
I think the possibilities in animation are just beginning to be realized at the moment. We have barely scratched at the surface of this method of replacing the missing stories. Advances continue daily in animation and this drives down the cost to make things like who. A good project, and one I think the animators would benefit from, would be getting funding to build a library of character designs and facial movements they could draw on for future projects. If we could help them find money outside of a specific production to say build a library of the main companions of 60's Dr. Who and another fund to digitally recreate the sets (as often pieces were re-used that could be very helpful). The animators could then use the budgets they get to animate the episodes and focus on adding elements they do not yet have to the library. Ultimately they would have enough resources to do all of a doctor's missing stuff. But let's go further, shall we? Once you have the library built up, have you thought of the possibilities? Big finish with their continuations of the 60's era could be the basis for new video episodes of 60's Dr. Who. Prison in Space anyone? Cheers! I'd buy an animation of "Lords of the Red Planet"... But let's just get the original 60's episodes animated first.
|
|
|
Post by mattg on Mar 26, 2019 18:44:05 GMT
To echo others on here potential candidates for future animation would surely be those stories considered marketable to an audience beyond fandom. That then surely excludes 'historicals' such as 'The Myth Makers' et al of which, alas, hold little mainstream appeal. 'Macra was almost certainly commissioned because it was of viable length at four episodes and, in lieu of the ever commercial Daleks and Cybermen, boasted a 'monster' in the Macra beast itself. The Macra have also featured in Nu Who's 'Gridlock' too of course which would've counted in its favour no doubt. Personally I hope either 'Wheel in Space' or 'Evil of the Daleks' becomes the next candidate for animation though I can't decide whether I would want surviving episodes/material incorporated into such hypothetical releases or all constituent parts animated for the sake of consistency/fluidity (e.g. animating all six episodes of 'Wheel' as opposed to just the four currently missing). Regardless of what the future holds though I think I can cynically portend with wry confidence that retrospectively 'problematic' stories like 'The Crusades' and 'The Celestial Toymaker' won't be getting animated anytime soon!
|
|
|
Post by scotttelfer on Mar 26, 2019 19:05:34 GMT
If something is giving a decent return on investment it’ll continue - irrespective of the regime imho. And that’s my concern, one dud could cause the brakes to be applied. Finish the Cybermen (Wheel) and then there’s Evil. Masterplan is probably unlikely unless a couple more episodes turn up - again unlikely. Faceess Ones has two surviving episodes which are pretty good imho. I can guarantee one thing, if you've taken out the safe bets first, the range is dead on the first dud. If The Highlanders was the next release and it didn't meet expectations then you've still got safe stories to animate, if you wait a few years and take out the safer stories, you have nothing left.
|
|
|
Post by John Wall on Mar 26, 2019 21:23:51 GMT
Do we know if there is anyone overseeing the range? There used to be a Dan ? when it was just about releasing complete stories. Unfortunately it’s probably one animation at a time:-(
|
|
|
Post by lousingh on Mar 31, 2019 3:16:09 GMT
Do we know if there is anyone overseeing the range? There used to be a Dan ? when it was just about releasing complete stories. Unfortunately it’s probably one animation at a time:-( I think you are right. I personally would have done both "The Macra Terror" and, say, "Fury from the Deep" and then picked up, say, "The Abominable Snowmen" to try and stagger releases to twice a year with distinct teams. The ties to NuWho are worth noting. I thought that "The Macra Terror" was likely to be one of the first because of its modern reference. That is why I think "The Abominable Snowmen" is not far behind.
|
|