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Post by Qasim Yusuf on Jan 26, 2019 10:36:39 GMT
I've noticed that a lot of the New Zealand film prints were sent to a landfill in Wellington. Despite it being very unlikely, what are the chances of any Doctor Who episodes being found in a playable state?
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Post by simonashby on Jan 26, 2019 10:40:37 GMT
Despite it being very unlikely
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Post by Leighton Haberfield on Jan 26, 2019 10:41:44 GMT
If sealed in a tin and buried deep then there may be a slim chance Never say never
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Post by adamjordan on Jan 26, 2019 13:19:27 GMT
Weren’t a lot of the NZ films fed through a bandsaw?
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Post by Qasim Yusuf on Jan 26, 2019 13:33:15 GMT
Weren’t a lot of the NZ films fed through a bandsaw? Yes but as we know from the fact that Crusade part 1 was taken from a landfill, not all films were fed through a bandsaw.
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Post by Lucy Wagner on Jan 27, 2019 0:51:03 GMT
Yeah, but even if there are still some copies that haven't been destroyed before being taken to the landfill and were disposed in a protecting metal case, the chances for them to survive the last 40 years on a landfill sound rather slim, even if they weren't destroyed in the landfill, who knows in what condition they'd be... but still, even if we consider that there still could be some episodes that survived about 40 years on a landfill in decent condition, how could anybody still find them? I mean, even if somebody who knew what they were if not even is actively looking for them would enter this landfill, how likely would it be to actually find them? And even if we know exactly what landfill the episodes were taken to and asume that there is a vague but considerable chance for MEs to may have survived there, who would actually scourer a landfill for them, would they even get permission to do so, etc.
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Post by Qasim Yusuf on Jan 27, 2019 8:05:31 GMT
Yeah, but even if there are still some copies that haven't been destroyed before being taken to the landfill and were disposed in a protecting metal case, the chances for them to survive the last 40 years on a landfill sound rather slim, even if they weren't destroyed in the landfill, who knows in what condition they'd be... but still, even if we consider that there still could be some episodes that survived about 40 years on a landfill in decent condition, how could anybody still find them? I mean, even if somebody who knew what they were if not even is actively looking for them would enter this landfill, how likely would it be to actually find them? And even if we know exactly what landfill the episodes were taken to and asume that there is a vague but considerable chance for MEs to may have survived there, who would actually scourer a landfill for them, would they even get permission to do so, etc. Someone like Phil Morris probably has the contacts to do something like that. He claims to have dug up places in deserts so he's probably used to looking long and hard for things. He could investigate the same landfill that Crusade part 1 was found at to see if there is anything else. There may even be non Doctor Who film prints just sitting there.
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Post by Alistair Gordon on Jan 27, 2019 9:19:02 GMT
[And even if we know exactly what landfill the episodes were taken to and asume that there is a vague but considerable chance for MEs to may have survived there, who would actually scourer a landfill for them, would they even get permission to do so, etc.[/quote]Someone like Phil Morris probably has the contacts to do something like that. He claims to have dug up places in deserts so he's probably used to looking long and hard for things. He could investigate the same landfill that Crusade part 1 was found at to see if there is anything else. They may even be non Doctor Who film prints just sitting there. [/quote]
Unfortunately, there will be 40 years worth of rubbish on top of them.
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Post by zaqwilson on Jan 27, 2019 21:42:28 GMT
Unlike digging up atari cartridges in the new Mexico desert, which had news paper reports, eye witness accounts and photos to pinpoint a location, dumping of film wasn't really noteworthy. Deciphering a location is next to impossible and the amount of time, capital and human power would be massive. Also, desert conditions are more likely to preserve than NW climate.
Unless we have hard evidence on what is where, it would be next to impossible.
PM'S desert digging (granted, we don't have many details) sounds like a location where only video materials were dumped and burried. Not feasable.
As to the bandsaw, if we found a cache of slashed mixed up material, it might be reassembled. More feasable than random landfill excivation.
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Post by lousingh on Jan 28, 2019 2:43:15 GMT
I would consider another recovery from a landfill to be miraculous. Assuming you could find a film can, it can't have been crushed or corroded in the interim. Then the film inside would have to be salvageable.
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Post by Mike Biggs on Jan 28, 2019 7:25:35 GMT
I think I read somewhere that the landfill that was used is now a park or sports ground (this is pretty standard with a lot of closed landfills in Wellington). I don't think the Council would be very happy with someone digging up their sports grounds without a good reason and appropriate permission.
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Post by martinjwills on Jan 28, 2019 8:38:45 GMT
There have been some recoveries of playable films from landfill, not Dr Who, but if i remember a link was put on here many years ago to one of them. The Desert Dig by PM will be the most interesting when we find out the details, and it may then lead to more similar research, but needs to be done before staff retire, at least in PMs case they knew where they were put, and didnt need to search. The Bluebell Railway in Sussex we opened a section of railway that was used as landfill and found quite a bit of stuff in reasonable contition, the timing was a bit early for BBC dumping though, as it was in the late 1960s when it closed. Landfill sites in the UK in 1976 would be the era.
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Post by Ken Jacowitz on Feb 3, 2019 23:09:34 GMT
Each returned episode, besides it's intrinsic value to us Dr. Who fans, has a monetary value to the BBC for DVD and streaming. I imagine a reward ( BBC or gofundme) could be offered to anyone who could legally get the rights to excavate likely areas and finds any episodes. The reward would be given even if the copies weren't salvageable. At least we would have tried and had an answer.
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Post by zaqwilson on Feb 4, 2019 0:31:33 GMT
This idea comes up from time to time. The BBC is not likely to open that door.
It might not be wise to begin attaching value to these items as it could easily lead to a hold out for more money.
I firmly believe that more exist in private hand than is generally believed. For those who hold them knowing of their status but keeping them for personal reasons, money is not going to pursue them to return their gems.
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Post by jamesvincent on Feb 4, 2019 17:02:08 GMT
You have no concept of how big landfill is. You're not going to find anything. The police spent *several million pounds* looking for a body in landfill last year and didn't find anything.
It would be far better to donate to a gofundme to use deepfake to remake missing episodes.
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