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Post by neilgow on Nov 21, 2018 19:50:10 GMT
Would recreating the missing Hartnell stories with the likes of David Bradley be a success? Have the BBC considered this?
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Post by Scot Ferre on Nov 21, 2018 20:34:34 GMT
No. I’m not sure there’s a market for this.
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Post by Lucy Wagner on Nov 21, 2018 22:07:03 GMT
Well... maybe if the Dad's Army ME recreation is a success, they'll consider recreating an important episode like TP4 (for another anniversary like the 60th in 5 years), but I doubt even that not to mention completely lost classics or bigger incomplete stories(like MP or DMP). I'm also not entirely sure who they'd try to appeal to with that: fans of the new series maybe, recreating it in a modern way/by modern standards? Intressting idea, but I don't think that would happen. And fans who are more/also into the classics, by making it look fitting to Hartnells era? I don't know if that would be worth the expense. Besides, DW's high quality audio recordings make cheaper or easier recreations of the ME way easier, so I don't think they'll do that, but still considering it as a possible one-off special production, like I said. But really, I doubt this is gonna happen
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Post by Robert Lia on Nov 21, 2018 22:22:09 GMT
They recreated select parts of episode 4 of The Tenth Planet. If they're going to spend the money to do one why not finish that episode
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Post by cjones on Nov 21, 2018 23:26:37 GMT
No. Bad idea. This would essentially efface Hartnell's performance.
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Nov 22, 2018 15:14:58 GMT
Why would it? There are many remakes, good and bad. Different people playing the same character. Did Christopher Lee's version of Dracula lessen Bela Lugosi's interpretation? It would be an interesting experiment to remake some Hartnell or Troughton with today's TV standards. Take an old script, re edit it, taking out padding and unnecessary exposition. Who knows, even the Sensorites may be better for it. I am a Doctor Who fan, but I don't think it should be preserved in amber. They can't be any worse than the current season, which, in my opinion, has been so dumbed down that some of them could have been an episode of Buck Rogers. In fact one episode, could have been Space Precinct! Now that's bad. It looks nice and some of the performances are good, but the scripts stink! My thought is that is any od these current crop of episodes would have been in another Sci-Fi series, would they have been so venerated as they seem to be? I think probably not. But that's just my opinion.
Alan
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Post by Timothy Austin on Nov 22, 2018 19:49:07 GMT
I'd rather just have more animations. We have the audio for all the missing episodes, so we can at least hear the original dialogue even if not seeing the actual original visuals. Animation is the most viable way round this. For the most part already, the animations have been very good indeed.
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Post by Richard Marple on Nov 22, 2018 21:31:29 GMT
I am a Doctor Who fan, but I don't think it should be preserved in amber. They can't be any worse than the current season, which, in my opinion, has been so dumbed down that some of them could have been an episode of Buck Rogers. In fact one episode, could have been Space Precinct! Now that's bad. It looks nice and some of the performances are good, but the scripts stink! My thought is that is any od these current crop of episodes would have been in another Sci-Fi series, would they have been so venerated as they seem to be? I think probably not. But that's just my opinion. Alan Yet another "New Dr Who is crap" post.
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Post by neilgow on Nov 22, 2018 21:56:51 GMT
Perhaps if word got out that such a project was being planned, it may make any private collector with the 1 remaining copy to TP4 to bring it to market. Once it is effectively recreated the value / appeal of the original may lessen.
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Post by cjones on Nov 23, 2018 6:00:01 GMT
Why would it? There are many remakes, good and bad. Different people playing the same character. Did Christopher Lee's version of Dracula lessen Bela Lugosi's interpretation? It would be an interesting experiment to remake some Hartnell or Troughton with today's TV standards. Take an old script, re edit it, taking out padding and unnecessary exposition. Who knows, even the Sensorites may be better for it. I am a Doctor Who fan, but I don't think it should be preserved in amber. The major difference is that the OP floated this idea for missing episodes, i.e. for the purpose of recreating the originals, and not for the purpose of reinterpreting the old text, 'reboot' style. If this were to happen, it's easy to imagine a situation in which fans for whom the 60s era is new would automatically go to the recreations. Hartnell's performances, which only exist in audio, would be devalued by default, simply because new fans would go to the Bradley episodes far more frequently. Who could blame them? They'd have moving pictures featuring real actors over audio and stills, or audio and animations; they might even have episodes in colour. They'd go to the Hartnell about as often as the average movie viewer goes to the original version of King Kong over Peter Jackson's, which is once in a blue moon - or even less often than that, as the episodes we're talking about are Hartnell's missing ones. The fannish need to preserve the show in amber, as you put it, is beside the point. As regards doing a remake of earlier serials (missing or existing), I'm not against the idea on principle; but what would be the point? Some DW from the 1960s is very good indeed - brilliant, even. But on the whole, this isn't Shakespeare we're talking about, and I'd argue that 1960s DW doesn't need new interpretations, any more than 1960s Coronation Street does. If I ever want reinterpretations of the old stuff, I'm quite happy watching Youtube videos of Paul McGann or Colin Baker reading out Hartnell speeches at conventions. The speeches picked on those occasions are only ever the good ones, and they are satisfying to watch while staying on the right side of respecting the original text. To remake, say, The Chase or The Gunfighters would smack of artifice. To make the endeavour worthwhile would entail some pretty major rewrites - at which point, you may as well just write a new story and have done with it. The animations for missing episodes, such as The Invasion or The Tenth Planet, are an interesting halfway house. Some of them take fairly obvious liberties with the visuals. The length of each shot, for example, might be noticeably faster than would be expected for 1960s serials, or the mise en scene is more sophisticated. In other words, they do not attempt to recreate the sorts of directorial styles associated with the show in that period. But I'm cool with that because they are always tied to the audio track, and fandom is prepared to accept them because they do not impinge on the performances of the original actors in the way that, say, reshooting the episodes with new actors would. My two penn'orth.
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Post by Ralph Rose on Nov 23, 2018 6:15:53 GMT
Perhaps if word got out that such a project was being planned, it may make any private collector with the 1 remaining copy to TP4 to bring it to market. Once it is effectively recreated the value / appeal of the original may lessen. That's if the collector knows that it is missing, or if it still exists at all for that matter... Schrodinger's cat paradox etc...
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Post by samnurden on Nov 23, 2018 6:23:26 GMT
You could do it. They technically already have with certain scenes, as I'm sure we're all aware.
It's going to be cheaper than animation (as long as you are expecting it to be like the old style), and you have the scripts.
It's along the same lines as "why not give Mcgann a series or two?" And to that, I don't think they want to take the spotlight from Whittaker. While you've got animations going, nobody else is playing the doctor, currently.
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Post by Qasim Yusuf on Nov 23, 2018 7:29:46 GMT
I don't think it would feel right. Either animate them or wait for them to be found. (Could be waiting for a while!)
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Post by garygraham on Nov 23, 2018 7:56:28 GMT
I think they should do it if the numbers add up (cost versus demand). As a period piece, true to the original scripts and production techniques within reason.
Almost no one is ever going to want to watch incomplete series. So it would add a lot of value to those existing episodes.
On the other hand I'm not sure how much demand there is for old black and white telly outside of enthusiasts.
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Nov 23, 2018 9:49:32 GMT
I am a Doctor Who fan, but I don't think it should be preserved in amber. They can't be any worse than the current season, which, in my opinion, has been so dumbed down that some of them could have been an episode of Buck Rogers. In fact one episode, could have been Space Precinct! Now that's bad. It looks nice and some of the performances are good, but the scripts stink! My thought is that is any od these current crop of episodes would have been in another Sci-Fi series, would they have been so venerated as they seem to be? I think probably not. But that's just my opinion. Alan Yet another "New Dr Who is crap" post.
Not true, so please do not put words in my mouth. I've enjoyed the majority of the new Who. It's just this season that I'm very disappointed with the quality of the scripts and I think it's very weak. As I said that's my opinion, which I'm entitled to. I don't speak for others.
Alan
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