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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Oct 9, 2018 23:06:34 GMT
This time five years ago, on 11 October 2013, it was announced that nine missing Doctor Who episodes had been found in Nigeria (www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24467337). With thanks to the amazing efforts of Phil Morris and others, the world was once again able to view The Enemy of the World and nearly all of The Web of Fear for the first time since their one-and-only broadcast in the 1960s. The thought that a huge chunk of television history had been recovered certainly added a sparkle to Doctor Who's 50th anniversary year. The number of missing episodes dropped from 106 to 97, priming the broadcast of the anniversary special The Day of the Doctor on 23 November 2013. Looking back on it, how do people remember the announcement? What were your reactions?
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Post by samnurden on Oct 9, 2018 23:29:56 GMT
Maaaaan, it really doesn't feel like 5 years, I think that's shocked me more than the recovery announcement, itself. Time certainly flies. But I remember the excitement of that day, and I remember the whole bizarre omnirumour stuff going around. For me, it was a mix of awe, joy and curiosity. I got to see the yeti properly, finally... but I was also really curious as to why Marco Polo didn't turn up at the time.
Before the announcement, it was the "MEW" rumour. Marco, Enemy and Web... but only two turned up. Marco was apparently in poor quality, but still watchable, so even now, I'm left wondering what happened to that. Regardless, It was a joyous moment to say the least.
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Post by scotttelfer on Oct 10, 2018 1:06:46 GMT
Maaaaan, it really doesn't feel like 5 years, I think that's shocked me more than the recovery announcement, itself. Time certainly flies. But I remember the excitement of that day, and I remember the whole bizarre omnirumour stuff going around. For me, it was a mix of awe, joy and curiosity. I got to see the yeti properly, finally... but I was also really curious as to why Marco Polo didn't turn up at the time. Before the announcement, it was the "MEW" rumour. Marco, Enemy and Web... but only two turned up. Marco was apparently in poor quality, but still watchable, so even now, I'm left wondering what happened to that. Regardless, It was a joyous moment to say the least. We've seen clips from a Morecambe and Wise film that had turned to mush, if they had even a dodgy copy of Marco Polo in the archives, they would have said something by now.
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Post by samnurden on Oct 10, 2018 2:38:56 GMT
Maaaaan, it really doesn't feel like 5 years, I think that's shocked me more than the recovery announcement, itself. Time certainly flies. But I remember the excitement of that day, and I remember the whole bizarre omnirumour stuff going around. For me, it was a mix of awe, joy and curiosity. I got to see the yeti properly, finally... but I was also really curious as to why Marco Polo didn't turn up at the time. Before the announcement, it was the "MEW" rumour. Marco, Enemy and Web... but only two turned up. Marco was apparently in poor quality, but still watchable, so even now, I'm left wondering what happened to that. Regardless, It was a joyous moment to say the least. We've seen clips from a Morecambe and Wise film that had turned to mush, if they had even a dodgy copy of Marco Polo in the archives, they would have said something by now. Indeed, but there are possible explanations. I'm mostly pretty sceptical on rumours, but this was way too legit. News articles were saying those three stories were rumoured to be back, and the fact two of them did, makes me believe something happened. I genuinely believe they thought they had it at some point. Perhaps it was a Tenth Planet situation, where they duped, or maybe it belonged to someone and they backed out. Perhaps they were only told it was going to be in bad quality. But I do want to stress, that the "MEW" rumour was two parts true. And to randomly throw out Enemy and Web together for it to be a reality a couple of months later, is quite something. But Outpost Skaro said this back in August, a couple of months before they came back. So take from this what you will- BleedingCool ran this article in August, too- www.bleedingcool.com/2013/08/24/two-views-on-the-doctor-who-missing-episodes/If anything it's an interesting thought. Miscommunication, perhaps? Who knows.
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Post by scotttelfer on Oct 10, 2018 2:45:14 GMT
We've seen clips from a Morecambe and Wise film that had turned to mush, if they had even a dodgy copy of Marco Polo in the archives, they would have said something by now. Indeed, but there are possible explanations. I'm mostly pretty sceptical on rumours, but this was way too legit. News articles were saying those three stories were rumoured to be back, and the fact two of them did, makes me believe something happened. I genuinely believe they thought they had it at some point. Perhaps it was a Tenth Planet situation, where they duped, or maybe it belonged to someone and they backed out. Perhaps they were only told it was going to be in bad quality. But I do want to stress, that the "MEW" rumour was two parts true. And to randomly throw out Enemy and Web together for it to be a reality a couple of months later, is quite something. But Outpost Skaro said this back in August, a couple of months before they came back. So take from this what you will- BleedingCool ran this article in August, too- www.bleedingcool.com/2013/08/24/two-views-on-the-doctor-who-missing-episodes/If anything it's an interesting thought. Miscommunication, perhaps? Who knows. Or possibly they had some insider information and bolted on a blatant lie to get clicks. News about Enemy and Web must have been around for a long time given what happened to Web 3. Of course the other alternative is that the BBC intentionally put these details in to track down the source of the leak after it cost them an episode,
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 10, 2018 3:11:54 GMT
God that was a cool 50th birthday present for me. A pity there were no more to come out of that. . . .
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Post by Señor pinguino on Oct 10, 2018 9:29:59 GMT
Meaby they are the last 9 prints to find, the other 97 are lost forever.... Goodbye eotd you exist in my dreams.
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Post by scotttelfer on Oct 10, 2018 12:07:04 GMT
Meaby they are the last 9 prints to find, the other 97 are lost forever.... Goodbye eotd you exist in my dreams. There are more out there. We're at a rather unusual point where we can reasonably say that, whether we ever see them is another matter. Where I would always draw caution are claims of large quantities or even full serials. I'd expect Web 3 long before Marco Polo say.
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Post by zaqwilson on Oct 10, 2018 18:04:45 GMT
Oct 11, 2013. I was at work. Opened Yahoo to check on the market. In the main Yahoo page, the top ten trending items 1) Dr Who 2) Doctor Who 3) Enemy of the World 4) *unrelated* 5)Missing Episodes Revovered 6) Patrick Troughten 7) *unrelated* 8) Web of Fear....
I had to sit and stare at the list for over a minute in disbelief before I started clicking.... Then I thought the loony rumors might be true, massive recovery, this is just the first reveal... 14 months later (Dec 2014), I then lost my false hope in the 90...
I hope this will repeat in the future.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 10, 2018 19:34:11 GMT
Meaby they are the last 9 prints to find, the other 97 are lost forever.... Goodbye eotd you exist in my dreams. We know the number is at least as low as 95 or 94. Paul V confirmed that he knew of at least a couple in private collections, and seemed fairly confident that we will see them one day. The status of Web 3 is of course still unknown.
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 10, 2018 20:29:27 GMT
And if I were a betting man I would say those 2 are Daleks Master Plan #4 and Tenth Planet #4 but I don't gamble so who knows ?
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Post by ianphillips on Oct 11, 2018 0:49:11 GMT
And if I were a betting man I would say those 2 are Daleks Master Plan #4 and Tenth Planet #4 but I don't gamble so who knows ? Honestly, at this point no one episode is much more likely to turn up than another. I would agree, though, that DMP 4 at least is a very good candidate.
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Post by samnurden on Oct 11, 2018 2:30:55 GMT
And if I were a betting man I would say those 2 are Daleks Master Plan #4 and Tenth Planet #4 but I don't gamble so who knows ? Honestly, at this point no one episode is much more likely to turn up than another. I would agree, though, that DMP 4 at least is a very good candidate. At that point, the beautiful irony of DMP which is least likely to come back, due to never being sold abroad, will have 4 episodes back in the archive. And Marco Polo, which was among the most sold abroad, still won't have a single shred of footage. Life likes to play these little games, doesn't he?
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 11, 2018 21:14:22 GMT
My guess is the two episode's that were borrowed by Blue Peter that never made it back to the archive are the ones in question but I have no evidence what so ever to back it up, its just a strong feeling I have
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Oct 11, 2018 22:25:10 GMT
My guess is the two episode's that were borrowed by Blue Peter that never made it back to the archive are the ones in question but I have no evidence what so ever to back it up, its just a strong feeling I have I agree. I've recently changed my mind on The Tenth Planet #4 and would favour that as a higher candidate for return than The Power of the Daleks #6 which was not taken out for use by Blue Peter. Both the Master Plan and Tenth Planet episodes have a very high novelty value that film collectors desire, so it would be reasonable to assume that these are the two being referred to as being in private hands. In these instances, it's the lack of evidence that is the evidence.
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