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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 11:41:38 GMT
Ed, next time you have an idea for a post can I suggest that, before you hit the "post" button, you just walk away from your computer and think about whether you really want to contribute to the amount of utter shite that gets posted online. And take your time - a year or two should do it. I don't consider quoting someone's quote and speculating upon it as contributing to the amount of utter shite posted online (whatever utter shite you refer to, as I only view this forum). I call it freedom to speculate, and on a equal footing, people have the same freedom to shoot down that discussion, or the one who hits the post button. As a matter of respect for freedom of opinions, I will give your post a 'like', plus one other post. For me, I find the idea that someone who has worked for a Producer and Doctor Who fan like Chris Chibnall for so long not knowing that you cannot watch all Doctor Who as utter nonsense. She would be in the know about this and aware about the archival status of Doctor Who. What I find intriguing is the implication in her quote about one day being able to watch all Doctor Who. I have balanced this argument out with four voting options at the top, and if I was 100% biased towards my speculating (much as I would love it to be true), I wouldn't have put in a vote and I'm quite happy to see the fourth option gets the most. One thing's for certain, there are three camps that are going to be proved right or wrong in the end: 1) Those who believe 90 or more episodes have been found 2) Those who believe a few more episodes have been found 3) Those who believe no more episodes have been found I can't see camp 3 as ever being proved right, as PM would have said that's your lot, now get off my back after handing in EOTW and WOF. I personally see camp 2 as the safer bet.
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Post by samnurden on Oct 1, 2018 13:00:54 GMT
Remember when Moffat did a Galaxy Four nod in the Pandorica Opens? Then episode three came back. Remember when Moffat put the London underground map in The Snowmen? Then we got Web Of Fear. Those were good times. Not sure where the whole "Everything is back" stuff is coming from, but if Chibbers is half the bamboozler that Moffat was, there may very well be something hidden, somewhere in some far off episode. Maybe.
Ah yes, that reference to Galaxy 4 a year before even the collector who held the episode was aware of its value...
Moffat knew. His stories are all about going back and forth between points. Just look at River's timeline. I'm 100% behind the idea that he can change events in Doctor Who, as he can irl. A nice coincidence for a guy who referenced it twice and has both episodes from those references turn up. It's not like Doctor Who has a huge backlog of stories or anything. I know, he knows. He cannot escape.
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Oct 1, 2018 15:26:04 GMT
I find the idea that someone who has worked for a Producer and Doctor Who fan like Chris Chibnall for so long not knowing that you cannot watch all Doctor Who as utter nonsense. It's you parsing a perfectly innocent remark until it becomes a clue that missing episodes have been returned that's utter nonsense.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 1, 2018 16:11:01 GMT
For me, I find the idea that someone who has worked for a Producer and Doctor Who fan like Chris Chibnall for so long not knowing that you cannot watch all Doctor Who as utter nonsense. She would be in the know about this and aware about the archival status of Doctor Who. Well you are in the minority then. The idea that missing episodes are on Jodie's radar is a stretch. You'll find that the world doesn't revolve around missing episodes. They clearly do for you, which is why you're reading so much into this. Even if she is fully aware of the situation inside and out, saying that she'll watch "all of the episodes" or something to that effect is perfectly normal to say. People aren't pedantic all the time. Your confirmation bias is blinding you. There really is nothing to see here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 11:19:38 GMT
For me, I find the idea that someone who has worked for a Producer and Doctor Who fan like Chris Chibnall for so long not knowing that you cannot watch all Doctor Who as utter nonsense. She would be in the know about this and aware about the archival status of Doctor Who. There really is nothing to see here. How do you know that? Can you prove she doesn't know? You can't. And I can't prove she does know either. But that's the great thing about the freedom of speculation, and the freedom to shoot down that speculation. I certainly hope it is true that we will receive news of a substantial find in a few years time. At the moment the market is crying out for new releases. Of the few, we have Season 12 on Blu Ray in 'HD', when the film sequences aren't even from the original negative. This release seems to be something of a gap filler for me, and also appears to contravene the trade descriptions act, somewhat ( The Trade Descriptions Act 1968 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom which prevents manufacturers, retailers or service industry providers from misleading consumers as to what they are spending their money on)!
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Post by simonashby on Oct 2, 2018 11:41:14 GMT
There really is nothing to see here. How do you know that? Can you prove she doesn't know? You can't. And I can't prove she does know either. But that's the great thing about the freedom of speculation, and the freedom to shoot down that speculation. I certainly hope it is true that we will receive news of a substantial find in a few years time. At the moment the market is crying out for new releases. Of the few, we have Season 12 on Blu Ray in 'HD', when the film sequences aren't even from the original negative. This release seems to be something of a gap filler for me, and also appears to contravene the trade descriptions act, somewhat ( The Trade Descriptions Act 1968 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom which prevents manufacturers, retailers or service industry providers from misleading consumers as to what they are spending their money on)! Eugh. Let me quote you then: "(and don't give me any of that viewable via telesnap/animation BS; that's clearly NOT what she's referring to here)" How do you know that? Can you prove she knows? You can't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 12:10:36 GMT
How do you know that? Can you prove she doesn't know? You can't. And I can't prove she does know either. But that's the great thing about the freedom of speculation, and the freedom to shoot down that speculation. I certainly hope it is true that we will receive news of a substantial find in a few years time. At the moment the market is crying out for new releases. Of the few, we have Season 12 on Blu Ray in 'HD', when the film sequences aren't even from the original negative. This release seems to be something of a gap filler for me, and also appears to contravene the trade descriptions act, somewhat ( The Trade Descriptions Act 1968 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom which prevents manufacturers, retailers or service industry providers from misleading consumers as to what they are spending their money on)! Eugh. Let me quote you then: "(and don't give me any of that viewable via telesnap/animation BS; that's clearly NOT what she's referring to here)" How do you know that? Can you prove she knows? You can't. Well, I did say in the last post "And I can't prove she does know". But defintely she's not referring to a telesnap version of Marco Polo or The Crusades. That is not an example of watching all of Doctor Who!
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Post by simonashby on Oct 2, 2018 13:25:55 GMT
Eugh. Let me quote you then: "(and don't give me any of that viewable via telesnap/animation BS; that's clearly NOT what she's referring to here)" How do you know that? Can you prove she knows? You can't. Well, I did say in the last post "And I can't prove she does know". But defintely she's not referring to a telesnap version of Marco Polo or The Crusades. That is not an example of watching all of Doctor Who! Backtracking in a later post does not invalidate anything I've said. You can't say one thing and then later say "oops I didn't mean to" and then that's all okay. Again, you are saying that she is definitely not referring to tele snap reconstructions, contradicting everything you just said and tried to pick me up on. You can't know this either way despite the fact that you continue to say you do. You are taking what Jodie said literally. It shouldn't be. For a practical and reasonable life we cannot unpick what people say to such a degree. Just because she is playing the Doctor does not mean she is actively in touch with the whole missing episodes thing. It wasn't relevant to the interview. It's not like PM said this, or Paul V, or whatever. The connection is too loose to be of any reasonable interest, even if you want it to, it just isn't. That is why it's not an interesting discussion. All you want is a discussion that reconfirms what you want to hear.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 14:05:32 GMT
I just find it hard to believe that an actor playing Doctor Who under Chris Chibnall wouldn't be aware of the archival status of the entire series and I also find it harder to believe that, if the actor knew this, she would make a statement implying that it's possible to watch all.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 2, 2018 16:38:37 GMT
I just find it hard to believe that an actor playing Doctor Who under Chris Chibnall wouldn't be aware of the archival status of the entire series and I also find it harder to believe that, if the actor knew this, she would make a statement implying that it's possible to watch all. Based on the facts that we have, this is unfounded. Plus you really need to understand that saying that she'll watch them all, or to that effect, is only a figure of speech. People aren't pedantic all the time - in fact people are more often the opposite to that. People will gloss over details, exaggerate, or spew hyperbole all in the name of normal conversation. You're making something that is perfectly normal something special. This is why the whole thing is unremarkable and the fact that this thread hasn't become a hotbed of discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 17:50:43 GMT
I can't accept that 'watch them all' is a figure of speech, no. Let's examine that quote again, objectively:
“One day when I’m not the Doctor anymore and I’ve handed over the baton, I’m gonna watch ALL of #DoctorWho from start to finish!"
Look at the word all. Why was is all in the @bbc6breakfast quote in caps? ALL. why not just "all"? I think there's some clue in the ALL.
Also, I can't imagine Jodie Whittaker in an interview being asked about the early episodes and when it's mentioned they are missing, she replies, "I didn't know that." Seriously, no. She knows. She's playing Doctor Who for Godsakes.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 2, 2018 17:58:04 GMT
I can't accept that 'watch them all' is a figure of speech, no. Let's examine that quote again, objectively: “One day when I’m not the Doctor anymore and I’ve handed over the baton, I’m gonna watch ALL of #DoctorWho from start to finish!"Look at the word ALL. Why was is ALL in the @bbc6breakfast in caps? ALL. why not just "all"? I think there's some clue in the caps. I can't imagine, either, Jodie Whittaker in an interview being asked about the early episodes and when it's mentioned they are missing, she replies, "I didn't know that." Seriously, no. She knows. She's playing Doctor Who for Godsakes. Re. "ALL" - that's just an emphasis. Very common in written language. A lot of episodes in the long running series, that a BIG commitment to watch them all. Emphasis. I'm not stating that Jodie doesn't know about missing episodes, or anything similar, simply that she clearly isn't as obsessed as you. I'm going to end this here. Either you're trolling or need to get some perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 18:34:04 GMT
Absolutely not trolling, no way. I sincerely do believe that we are heading for the lottery jackpot in terms of missing episodes, not only Doctor Who but other shows and obscure items too. I really do believe that those at the top of the Doctor Who production office are aware of the situation and that Jodie's quote is one of a number of teasers fed to us, since the Web of Fear references in The Snowmen episode. Something's definitely on the build and the wind is blowing in the right direction - or maybe it already did some time ago.
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Post by RWels on Oct 2, 2018 18:54:17 GMT
And I am still suspicious of all the people who speak of "sunRISE" and "sunDOWN". They must know that the sun does not rise on us, but that it's only the earth rotating the spot where we live in and out of the light. So why do they try to push this error on us? It must be the Flat Earth Society's doing. People simply wouldn't ever use phrasing that isn't 100% factually true! Everyone who speaks, does so completely accurately. If you don't believe me, just look at politics... Oh wait...
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Post by zaqwilson on Oct 2, 2018 19:42:24 GMT
I find it very plausible that an actor could be cast in a role and know little to nothing about the archival status of the shows beginnings 50 years ago. I find it very implausible that an actor playing the current doctor would be aware of unannounced discoveries. "IF" there are a bunch of episodes back, its being kept under a tight lid with information on a strict need to know only. If there was a mass recovery, kept quiet, why would they give this information to current actors. Their jobs have nothing to do with recovery. If they knew, word would be out spread far and wide.
When JW said she would watch them all after shes done playing the doctor tells me she likely knows little of the older portions of the show or the status of ME's.
Im still of the mind that something have been recovered, but not much. Probably being kept till either enough is found to make a commercial release worthwhile (a small majority would make a great fuss about one orphaned episode being released, but it wouldn't sell well to the general public).
A theory I read (not believed, but read--like all) is that recoveries will be held till either the search is as exhausted as reasonably possible and/or interest in the current show wanes where a large recovery could re-ignite interest.
Until my eyes see something, I'll consider it as wishful thinking.
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