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Post by Greg H on Jul 6, 2018 16:46:05 GMT
Hi all, I don't usually start this manner of idle speculation but today I was on an unusually long train journey and I found myself ruminating on missing who, as one does from time to time. I was assessing the likelihood of more coming back in my opinion and on balance, without a hint of pessimism or negative intent, I reckon (based purely on 'reckons' and 'probably') that is probably our lot. The finds over the years have been great but the avenues of investigation are drying up. So that is my tuppence, I no longer hold any faith in anything else coming back from the missing who of the 60s. Share your thoughts in the poll
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Post by Scot Ferre on Jul 6, 2018 17:35:06 GMT
I stand by my opinion that more is to come. It’s just a question of when, IMO.
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Post by kurt devery on Jul 6, 2018 18:05:46 GMT
Hi there. On the flip side of this the only episode I feel has a chance is still Web 3 as long as no DVD special with cartoon arrives we have hope on that one I think... Just wish it would show up soon ha ha
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Post by George D on Jul 6, 2018 19:12:27 GMT
I think there is a 50/50 chance that we could get an episode or two. Not expecting any phil morris find
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Jul 6, 2018 19:33:35 GMT
In 1998's 'The Missing Years' documentary Ian Levine confidently says "There will always be 110 missing Doctor Who episodes". By the time the programme was included on the 2004 'Lost in Time' DVD there were only 108 missing.
I had lunch with Ian in 2010 during which he insisted "There will always be 108 missing Doctor Who episodes".
A year later I was at the BFI Missing Believed Wiped event and amazingly two more episodes had been recovered and Ian was now telling me, "There will always be 106 missing Doctor Who episodes", whereas I was firmly of the opinion that one day the total would fall to below one hundred.
That day arrived a lot sooner than I expected with the Phil Morris recoveries!
We know there is AT LEAST one more missing episode in a private collection - possibly several more - when you factor in Web of Fear Part 3 that Phil and his team found and then lost again, so I'm quietly confident that the total will fall below 90 during my lifetime.
The longest we've had to wait between recoveries is about 8 years, I believe, so I'm sure something will turn up soon...
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Post by samnurden on Jul 7, 2018 3:23:14 GMT
I mean, there are actually at least a couple more out there. Paul did say that. But even if you discard that, there's no way of knowing what else is out there one way or the other. I know you said it's on not pessimism, but you also said you gave up hope... kind of confusing but I'm going to say it anyway-
You shouldn't give into blind hope, but you shouldn't give into blind pessimism, either. Unhealthy stuff.
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Post by EJR Tairne on Jul 7, 2018 6:19:41 GMT
That's the thing. Now seems like a particularly weird time for this take, given that we know there are at least a few episodes out there. There's no telling if or when they'll see the wider world, but apparently they do exist.
Anything beyond those few is supposition, of course. But, point is, we _know_ that there's more than what we've seen. So the door would seem to be more clearly open than it's been in decades.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 17:10:22 GMT
I personally believe that a vast number of episodes have been found and all will be reveaĺled to us one day, but not anytime soon. There's a number of non-Who returns to be revealled next, according to PM.
With all that's been said since 2013, one things for certain: one of two groups - the nothing's-coming-backs and more-to-come-backs - are going to be proved wrong one day.
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Post by samnurden on Jul 7, 2018 19:17:48 GMT
With all that's been said since 2013, one things for certain: one of two groups - the nothing's-coming-backs and more-to-come-backs - are going to be proved wrong one day. I find the rules of this game to be particularly unfair and unbalanced, tho. The people who are sure there's more to come back can only really be proven wrong once. The people who say nothing's coming back have been proved wrong already... A good few times. Even if you went by a three strike rule, it's probably been like 5-0 on the scorecard. But who is really counting? I plant myself firmly in the middle. My missing episode interest sits on the maybe's and possible of recoveries. I live a happier life that way, I think.
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Post by ianphillips on Jul 7, 2018 19:20:12 GMT
I'd agree with what other people here have said. We KNOW that there are episodes out there. That has been positively, 100% confirmed. I am extremely confident that there are more returns to come. However, once all the details of Phil Morris' hunt are revealed and any episodes located by him are returned, then I might agree with you. I wouldn't say that there is absolutely no hope that any more episodes would be found. I still bleieve that the school screening of the Macra Terror in New Zealand might turn something up, but otherwise, I believe that we won't be seeing any more serial recoveries. Any finds will be individuals or pairings (because missing episodes like pairs), and there won't be many of them.
Once Phil Morris' hunt ends, then we'll have had our lot, give or take two or three.
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Post by John Green on Jul 7, 2018 19:31:12 GMT
"Pascal poses the problem of belief in God’s existence as follows: “Let us then examine this point, and let us say: ‘Either God is or he is not.’ But to which view shall we be inclined? Reason cannot decide this question. Infinite chaos separates us. At the far end of this infinite distance a coin is being spun which will come down heads or tails. How will you wager? Reason cannot make you choose either, reason cannot prove either wrong.” Pascal is here expressing skepticism about the ability of philosophy to either prove or disprove the existence of God. But, he says, the lack of proofs does not remove the requirement that we make a choice on this point: “Yes, but you must wager. There is no choice, you are already committed. Which will you choose then? Let us see: since a choice must be made, let us see which offers you the least interest. You have two things to lose: the true and the good; and two things to stake: your reason and your will, your knowledge and your happiness. ...Since you must necessarily choose, your reason is no more affronted by choosing one rather than the other. ...But your happiness? Let us weigh up the gain and the loss involved in calling heads that God exists. Let us assess the two cases: if you win you win everything, if you lose you lose nothing. Do not hesitate then; wager that he does exist.” www3.nd.edu/~jspeaks/courses/mcgill/201/pascal-wager.htmlIf I'd put money on (b) More to come.I would have won year after year. We'll never know when,if ever,to pay out on (a).
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Post by George D on Jul 7, 2018 20:01:55 GMT
Since metropolis showed up 80 years later and missing tv is still surfacing, it is hard to be sure no more dr who will show up. That being said, unless someone is hoarding I don't expect an omni rumor level find
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Post by richardwoods on Jul 7, 2018 20:22:08 GMT
Pure speculation / wishful thinking on my part, but If I had to put money on it I would go for Web3 & some or all of Marco being the most likely to turn up. I don't know why but maybe just maybe the supposed late screening of The Savages in Africa may yield something to our intrepid explorer......
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Post by RWels on Jul 7, 2018 21:27:32 GMT
Since metropolis showed up 80 years later and missing tv is still surfacing, it is hard to be sure no more dr who will show up. That being said, unless someone is hoarding I don't expect an omni rumor level find Metropolis wasn't completely gone, it only had chunks missing.
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Post by Mike Biggs on Jul 7, 2018 23:44:20 GMT
I firmly believe more will turn up, I just don't think we're going to get any more complete stories - just bits and pieces from collectors. I can't believe that there isn't something out there.
I think whatever tiny unrealistic hope may remain for the omni-rumour will be extinguished when Philip Morris can finally tell us the full story of his search.
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