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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jun 4, 2018 15:56:42 GMT
Wonder if Paul's seen them?
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Post by John Wall on Jun 4, 2018 18:09:32 GMT
What about Tenth Planet 4?
That was around when Hartnell died.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 18:59:35 GMT
What about Tenth Planet 4? That was around when Hartnell died. I firmly believe that one is covered by PM. In an interview in DWM # 466 he said, "And I'd like to find The Tenth Planet Episode 4. I think it's out there." One could say he's just sharing his dreams with everyone. However he is in a delicate situation of secrecy and negotiation and I don't think he would have mentioned a specific title like this if it wasn't already in the bag. The same goes for The Web of Fear 3 IMHO. Also, he's dropped hints in the form of 'most wanting to find' titles such as The Power of the Daleks, The Evil of the Daleks (one regrets he hasn't mentioned The Space Pirates so far). Then he has also mentioned at one convention about riding on the back of a JCB into the desert at night to a landfill site. This again is a hint of a find. Why spend hundreds of pounds on a JCB because of an unconfirmed local rumor, when a Homebase shovel will suffice? To mention these titles, when fans of MEs are hanging onto your every word is just not on. No, the wind is definitely blowing ion the right direction. Now, where does this fit in with the private collectors cache? On the great day of the reveals, will we be seeing on the table two copies of the same episode? Only time will tell...
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Post by John Wall on Jun 4, 2018 22:28:50 GMT
What about Tenth Planet 4? That was around when Hartnell died. I firmly believe that one is covered by PM. In an interview in DWM # 466 he said, "And I'd like to find The Tenth Planet Episode 4. I think it's out there." One could say he's just sharing his dreams with everyone. However he is in a delicate situation of secrecy and negotiation and I don't think he would have mentioned a specific title like this if it wasn't already in the bag. The same goes for The Web of Fear 3 IMHO. Also, he's dropped hints in the form of 'most wanting to find' titles such as The Power of the Daleks, The Evil of the Daleks (one regrets he hasn't mentioned The Space Pirates so far). Then he has also mentioned at one convention about riding on the back of a JCB into the desert at night to a landfill site. This again is a hint of a find. Why spend hundreds of pounds on a JCB because of an unconfirmed local rumor, when a Homebase shovel will suffice? To mention these titles, when fans of MEs are hanging onto your every word is just not on. No, the wind is definitely blowing ion the right direction. Now, where does this fit in with the private collectors cache? On the great day of the reveals, will we be seeing on the table two copies of the same episode? Only time will tell... TP4 was last known in the UK. WoF3 was last known in Nigeria.
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Post by lousingh on Jun 4, 2018 23:41:35 GMT
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Post by simonashby on Jun 4, 2018 23:45:33 GMT
This again is a hint of a find. No it's not. No it's not. No it's not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 1:49:53 GMT
This again is a hint of a find. No it's not. No it's not. No it's not. Yes, I would agree had PM gone in with a shovel to poke about. However, according to the Farming Forum, hiring a JCB & driver isn't cheap. Plus the availability of one in the African desert... probably only in mirage form. There would have to be a good reason. thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/cost-to-hire-jcb-loadall-per-hour.110794/
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Jun 5, 2018 10:36:26 GMT
Has anyone got a link where I can listen to this? Thanks
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Jun 5, 2018 11:01:22 GMT
What about Tenth Planet 4? That was around when Hartnell died. I firmly believe that one is covered by PM. In an interview in DWM # 466 he said, "And I'd like to find The Tenth Planet Episode 4. I think it's out there." One could say he's just sharing his dreams with everyone. However he is in a delicate situation of secrecy and negotiation and I don't think he would have mentioned a specific title like this if it wasn't already in the bag. The same goes for The Web of Fear 3 IMHO. Also, he's dropped hints in the form of 'most wanting to find' titles such as The Power of the Daleks, The Evil of the Daleks (one regrets he hasn't mentioned The Space Pirates so far). Then he has also mentioned at one convention about riding on the back of a JCB into the desert at night to a landfill site. This again is a hint of a find. Why spend hundreds of pounds on a JCB because of an unconfirmed local rumor, when a Homebase shovel will suffice? To mention these titles, when fans of MEs are hanging onto your every word is just not on. No, the wind is definitely blowing ion the right direction. Now, where does this fit in with the private collectors cache? On the great day of the reveals, will we be seeing on the table two copies of the same episode? Only time will tell... There were only two batches of The Tenth Planet made. The batch currently in existence was returned in its entirety to the UK and placed in the Film Library, with the other batch being destroyed in the 1970s. Then, in 1973, the Blue Peter production team remove #4 from the Film Library for use in the programme, cutting out the desired extract and discarding of the film afterwards. There is no indication that Blue Peter was one of the ways in which missing episodes escaped destruction, since we've had no returns of episodes that were featured on the Blue Peter programme to date. If these episodes were smuggled out instead of being destroyed, as Phil Morris seems to be insinuating, then it suggests that other episodes that had clips extracted from them are kicking around as well - Galaxy 4 #1, The Daleks' Master Plan #3 and #4 and a couple of others. I wouldn't get too hung up on remarks that express a desire to see something returned, as opposed a determination to get something returned.
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Post by John Wall on Jun 5, 2018 11:31:42 GMT
I firmly believe that one is covered by PM. In an interview in DWM # 466 he said, "And I'd like to find The Tenth Planet Episode 4. I think it's out there." One could say he's just sharing his dreams with everyone. However he is in a delicate situation of secrecy and negotiation and I don't think he would have mentioned a specific title like this if it wasn't already in the bag. The same goes for The Web of Fear 3 IMHO. Also, he's dropped hints in the form of 'most wanting to find' titles such as The Power of the Daleks, The Evil of the Daleks (one regrets he hasn't mentioned The Space Pirates so far). Then he has also mentioned at one convention about riding on the back of a JCB into the desert at night to a landfill site. This again is a hint of a find. Why spend hundreds of pounds on a JCB because of an unconfirmed local rumor, when a Homebase shovel will suffice? To mention these titles, when fans of MEs are hanging onto your every word is just not on. No, the wind is definitely blowing ion the right direction. Now, where does this fit in with the private collectors cache? On the great day of the reveals, will we be seeing on the table two copies of the same episode? Only time will tell... There were only two batches of The Tenth Planet made. The batch currently in existence was returned in its entirety to the UK and placed in the Film Library, with the other batch being destroyed in the 1970s. Then, in 1973, the Blue Peter production team remove #4 from the Film Library for use in the programme, cutting out the desired extract and discarding of the film afterwards. There is no indication that Blue Peter was one of the ways in which missing episodes escaped destruction, since we've had no returns of episodes that were featured on the Blue Peter programme to date. If these episodes were smuggled out instead of being destroyed, as Phil Morris seems to be insinuating, then it suggests that other episodes that had clips extracted from them are kicking around as well - Galaxy 4 #1, The Daleks' Master Plan #3 and #4 and a couple of others. I wouldn't get too hung up on remarks that express a desire to see something returned, as opposed a determination to get something returned.
I don’t think it’s certain exactly what Blue Peter did with TP4.
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Post by simonashby on Jun 5, 2018 12:34:24 GMT
Sorry, but you're deluding yourself. You see, the JCB story only tells us that he's looked on that one/however many occasion(s). That's it. I don't care how much it costs. It proves that he had a lead and he looked, and nothing more! Having a lead and investigating that lead does not guarantee a find... even less so a find of missing Doctor Who. The condition of what was found (if anything) may be poor. The films found may already be in existence. It may not have been Doctor Who. You forget that he's looking for anything and everything. Fans of Doctor Who must understand that there is a much bigger picture and that there is so much more to find other than Doctor Who! His primary concern for is for the local broadcasters and their own material. Just because he's mentioning it to a Doctor Who crowd means nothing either. It's an interesting part of the story (why wouldn't you tell that story), but the story goes way beyond Doctor Who.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 15:51:49 GMT
There were only two batches of The Tenth Planet made. The batch currently in existence was returned in its entirety to the UK and placed in the Film Library, with the other batch being destroyed in the 1970s. Then, in 1973, the Blue Peter production team remove #4 from the Film Library for use in the programme, cutting out the desired extract and discarding of the film afterwards. There is no indication that Blue Peter was one of the ways in which missing episodes escaped destruction, since we've had no returns of episodes that were featured on the Blue Peter programme to date. If these episodes were smuggled out instead of being destroyed, as Phil Morris seems to be insinuating, then it suggests that other episodes that had clips extracted from them are kicking around as well - Galaxy 4 #1, The Daleks' Master Plan #3 and #4 and a couple of others. I wouldn't get too hung up on remarks that express a desire to see something returned, as opposed a determination to get something returned.
I don’t think it’s certain exactly what Blue Peter did with TP4. Also, as has been discussed here before, and is examined on the BroaDWcast, it's not entirely certain if the Blue Peter copy was a return from Singapore (for example), or a retained film copy not sent overseas.
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Post by John Wall on Jun 5, 2018 15:57:34 GMT
I don’t think it’s certain exactly what Blue Peter did with TP4. Also, as has been discussed here before, and is examined on the BroaDWcast, it's not entirely certain if the Blue Peter copy was a return from Singapore (for example), or a retained film copy not sent overseas. Yep. All we know is that a print was around immediately before Blue Peter broadcast the clip.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 16:00:30 GMT
Sorry, but you're deluding yourself. You see, the JCB story only tells us that he's looked on that one/however many occasion(s). That's it. I don't care how much it costs. It proves that he had a lead and he looked, and nothing more! Having a lead and investigating that lead does not guarantee a find... even less so a find of missing Doctor Who. The condition of what was found (if anything) may be poor. The films found may already be in existence. It may not have been Doctor Who. You forget that he's looking for anything and everything. Fans of Doctor Who must understand that there is a much bigger picture and that there is so much more to find other than Doctor Who! His primary concern for is for the local broadcasters and their own material. Just because he's mentioning it to a Doctor Who crowd means nothing either. It's an interesting part of the story (why wouldn't you tell that story), but the story goes way beyond Doctor Who. The man himself did not say what the outcome of the JCB dig was. Had it come to nothing I believe he would said this. Another promising hint from PM is found in the DWM # 466 PM interview with his, "Expected the unexpected" line. We are told to quote him on this. I am rationally expecting another batch of 10 episodes, or less (if we are lucky), to be handed in by him. To me that kind of 10-episode-expectation does not even come close to the category of 'unexpected'.
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Jun 5, 2018 16:10:17 GMT
I don’t think it’s certain exactly what Blue Peter did with TP4. Also, as has been discussed here before, and is examined on the BroaDWcast, it's not entirely certain if the Blue Peter copy was a return from Singapore (for example), or a retained film copy not sent overseas. It must have come from Singapore. The reason being is that it is accepted that the Singapore returns were done around 1973/4. This serial happened to make it into the Film Library (which is not unusual, since the same thing happened to other serials). The Australian prints wouldn't have been returned until 1975. Therefore, only one complete set in 1973 with #4 being removed from the Film Library by Blue Peter in November with two certainties - firstly, it wasn't put back, and secondly, the other #4 from the Australia '75 returns wasn't used to reconstitute the set. If there was more than one complete set of The Tenth Planet in existence at that time, we'd probably have #4 in our hands today. The other #4 was destroyed around 1975/6. There are no loose ends with this serial.
Why would it be from a set not sent overseas? The Tenth Planet was the first serial in a new season, and just like the Master Plan discussion from earlier in the year, it was accepted that the retention of films would have been absurd. The BBC at the time would never have made copies for the sole purpose of showing an extract in another programme.
The only hope surrounding The Tenth Planet #4 is that we discover what happened to the print after Blue Peter, as this might give us an indication as to where other prints that fell into the hands of the programme staff ended up. It is very faintly possible that is exists in a private collection, but who's to say without evidence of it's journey.
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