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Post by richardwoods on Apr 22, 2018 10:52:47 GMT
Unfortunately I can't come up with a scenario for a random magical transference, but if you knew it was happening in advance, I think I have a plan. Assuming that I'd have enough backing, then I'd get hold of one of my friends who I know lived in London at the time. I'd ask him about the idea, and then ask for his address in 1963. I'd explain that I'd have enough cash to make this worth his while at the time. I use some of the techniques from "Day of the Jackal" to build a fake identity for myself (using Photoshop probably) so when I go meet him I have enough cash and ID to make the whole thing work. My other prep is simple: get hold of some 405-line fans who've built converters and see if they can build me a converter (and a couple of spares) from 405 line to 625. Doesn't matter if it doesn't scale up and letter boxes it, if anything that's probably better so long as it's 1:1 on the original broadcast source. Then I grab a load of USB sticks. 64GB or higher. Some tough PCs (Panasonic Toughbooks, maybe), Then I go back, contact my friend, get him to help me find a flat, and then I sit there doing off-air recordings and sending them back to the present day on USB sticks. This has the advantage that I could also hoover up Z Cars, Dixon of Dock Green, local news reports, anything that I think might be of interest... Don't forget that you could stop off in say 1980 & get a top of the range top loading VHS with a VHF Band 1/3 tuner as well as the normal UHF, of which there were many examples, a pile of tapes and go back to the 60's & start recording. These recorders, although never intended to record 405 line did it very well indeed.
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Post by Richard Marple on Apr 22, 2018 18:06:21 GMT
Don't forget that you could stop off in say 1980 & get a top of the range top loading VHS with a VHF Band 1/3 tuner as well as the normal UHF, of which there were many examples, a pile of tapes and go back to the 60's & start recording. These recorders, although never intended to record 405 line did it very well indeed. I've heard of 405 line TV collectors putting recordings in that format onto tape, but wasn't sure if any VCR's in the UK ever sold with VHF tuners. I assumed they had used a 625-405 line converter.
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Post by Steve Hamilton on Apr 22, 2018 20:12:11 GMT
I refer you to my thread from 5 years ago. missingepisodes.proboards.com/thread/8392/record-dr-who-60sYou wouldn't necessarily need to spend that long in the past, just enough time to record the missing episodes. You could jump forward to the dates you need to record on. That is assuming of course you are not a completist and want the episodes that have been edited and have reconstructed missing footage. What you would need is to rent a house or flat for about 6 years real time, which is large enough to house your time machine and if you are only there on Saturday afternoons, make sure the rent is paid! By the end of the 'Space Pirates' you can come home again or move on to the colour Pertwee episodes.
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Post by RWels on Apr 22, 2018 23:06:58 GMT
A word of advice: Don't get distracted. Killing Hitler, recovering Aristote's Poetics, things like that might seem tempting. But just don't. It's the thin end of a wedge and you need to keep your priorities straight. Who cares about the real Marco Polo as long as we got his serial!
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Post by richardwoods on Apr 23, 2018 17:58:10 GMT
A word of advice: Don't get distracted. Killing Hitler, recovering Aristote's Poetics, things like that might seem tempting. But just don't. It's the thin end of a wedge and you need to keep your priorities straight. Who cares about the real Marco Polo as long as we got his serial! Like the Meddling Monk I'd be tempted to nobble the Norman Conquest.
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Post by zaqwilson on Apr 23, 2018 22:09:08 GMT
My luck will strike again....
I go back, rescue the missing and bring them forth to the present--stupidly assuming what was extant pre-trip is still extant post-trip--only to find the situation with the missing eps has now inverted. Marco Polo will be the earliest surviving Dr who with most of season's one and two gone.
Oh if only we had the first adventure! If only we had Tomb.... the Daleks first outing... if only we could go back and retrieve them.....
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Post by brianfretwell on Apr 24, 2018 7:52:48 GMT
A word of advice: Don't get distracted. Killing Hitler, recovering Aristote's Poetics, things like that might seem tempting. But just don't. It's the thin end of a wedge and you need to keep your priorities straight. Who cares about the real Marco Polo as long as we got his serial! Like the Meddling Monk I'd be tempted to nobble the Noman Conquest. Then the Errol Flynn "Adventures of Robin Hood" would be missing!!!!
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Post by Sofia Fox on Apr 24, 2018 20:12:56 GMT
I would go back throught 1963 to 1967 and copy all of the videotapes to high quality recordable ones and catch The Highlanders in time before March 1967 and hopefully get the rest on through to the War Games and Pertwee.
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Post by RWels on Apr 24, 2018 20:36:20 GMT
Ask a weeping angel for a hug, clutching a video with the other arm? And hope you don't end up in the cretaceous?
Other things to avoid: Don't prevent your parents from meeting and going to the school dance. Run away from heavily-built men with Austrian accents.
What if you travelled back in time but not in space, and the earth was not in the same position? You'd end up floating in outer space, and THEN where would you be?
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Apr 25, 2018 4:46:50 GMT
There are a lot of different ways one could constrain the parameters of this and still have interesting outcomes...
As has been suggested, if you have something TARDIS-like, just slip in after hours at the BBC and make copies of all the masters right after transmission. Or heck, tap the transmission line and record everything as it airs. But unless you plan on hoarding the recordings it does leave you at a cul-de-sac as far as how to make them available for the rest of the world to enjoy again (at least any time prior to the invention of time travel when the sudden reappearance of hundreds of hours of programs surfacing at broadcast quality would generate hard-to-answer questions).
If you could go back with a large sum of funds, you could pay to stand up a TV station in some other country and then buy all the interesting programs. With knowledge of when the contracts would expire you could always buy at the last moment so you would always be at the end of the bicycle chain, and sign off that you destroyed everything even though you certainly don't. Heck, you could pick up Masterplan after Australia passes on it.
The other suggestion of setting up cover in the '70s as a garbage man is a good one too, intercept the telerecordings on their way to the skip. This would be pretty sly and you could have prints bubble up from collectors, just at a faster pace. There'd be no guarantee of getting everything, though. That would be frustrating.
But if I was going to wake up in, say, 1962 with no immediate way home and have to get a job, pay rent, etc., I would find a way to get a job at BBC Enterprises or the BFI and either a) be in the position to destroy the prints but save the negatives within Ents (which is all that really matters here); b) finagle an arrangement where the negatives would be donated to the BFI when Ents was done with them; or c) influence the powers that be to contemplate potential future commercial viability so they take action on their own.
Actually, the BFI is an interesting angle since it would mean saving non-BBC material too.
Does anyone know when the PAL version of the CV-2000 came out? Wikipedia says 1965 for the NTSC version which makes it a close shave for being available to home record Feast of Steven on broadcast. But then again, if I was head of the film library at Enterprises I could just order it to be telecined anyway!
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Post by richardwoods on Apr 25, 2018 7:18:13 GMT
There are a lot of different ways one could constrain the parameters of this and still have interesting outcomes... As has been suggested, if you have something TARDIS-like, just slip in after hours at the BBC and make copies of all the masters right after transmission. Or heck, tap the transmission line and record everything as it airs. But unless you plan on hoarding the recordings it does leave you at a cul-de-sac as far as how to make them available for the rest of the world to enjoy again (at least any time prior to the invention of time travel when the sudden reappearance of hundreds of hours of programs surfacing at broadcast quality would generate hard-to-answer questions). If you could go back with a large sum of funds, you could pay to stand up a TV station in some other country and then buy all the interesting programs. With knowledge of when the contracts would expire you could always buy at the last moment so you would always be at the end of the bicycle chain, and sign off that you destroyed everything even though you certainly don't. Heck, you could pick up Masterplan after Australia passes on it. The other suggestion of setting up cover in the '70s as a garbage man is a good one too, intercept the telerecordings on their way to the skip. This would be pretty sly and you could have prints bubble up from collectors, just at a faster pace. There'd be no guarantee of getting everything, though. That would be frustrating. But if I was going to wake up in, say, 1962 with no immediate way home and have to get a job, pay rent, etc., I would find a way to get a job at BBC Enterprises or the BFI and either a) be in the position to destroy the prints but save the negatives within Ents (which is all that really matters here); b) finagle an arrangement where the negatives would be donated to the BFI when Ents was done with them; or c) influence the powers that be to contemplate potential future commercial viability so they take action on their own. Actually, the BFI is an interesting angle since it would mean saving non-BBC material too. Does anyone know when the PAL version of the CV-2000 came out? Wikipedia says 1965 for the NTSC version which makes it a close shave for being available to home record Feast of Steven on broadcast. But then again, if I was head of the film library at Enterprises I could just order it to be telecined anyway! Good idea but you might find a lack of cooperation from the 60's BFI. Don't forget they declined the ITV Rediffusion archive which mostly ended up in a skip as a result.
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Post by Simon Collis on Apr 28, 2018 15:58:04 GMT
Don't forget that you could stop off in say 1980 & get a top of the range top loading VHS with a VHF Band 1/3 tuner as well as the normal UHF, of which there were many examples, a pile of tapes and go back to the 60's & start recording. These recorders, although never intended to record 405 line did it very well indeed. I've heard of 405 line TV collectors putting recordings in that format onto tape, but wasn't sure if any VCR's in the UK ever sold with VHF tuners. I assumed they had used a 625-405 line converter. If I remember right, my Sanyo Betamax (1983 vintage) had a VFH band 1 tuner as well as UHF. I'm pretty sure you could select VHF or UHF for each of the eight channels it could tune individually. I did offer the machine free to anyone who wanted it about a year ago, but I expect my ex has thrown it away now.
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Post by richardwoods on Apr 29, 2018 7:38:32 GMT
I've heard of 405 line TV collectors putting recordings in that format onto tape, but wasn't sure if any VCR's in the UK ever sold with VHF tuners. I assumed they had used a 625-405 line converter. If I remember right, my Sanyo Betamax (1983 vintage) had a VFH band 1 tuner as well as UHF. I'm pretty sure you could select VHF or UHF for each of the eight channels it could tune individually. I did offer the machine free to anyone who wanted it about a year ago, but I expect my ex has thrown it away now. That's a shame Simon, must have missed that. if by some Miracle she hasn't binned it please PM me, I'd be interested.
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Post by brianfretwell on May 5, 2018 9:13:41 GMT
Good idea but you might find a lack of cooperation from the 60's BFI. Don't forget they declined the ITV Rediffusion archive which mostly ended up in a skip as a result. I suppose while you were there you could go skip hunting for the Rediffusion archive as well.
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Post by andrewllewellyn on May 7, 2018 12:31:19 GMT
Get a job in the BBC archives. It would be a means of financial support for a start and you'd be in a perfect position to make the tapes "disappear" at the appropriate time. Then bring them back to the present (Or take the long way to 2018 if there's no way back) so that there's no butterfly effect. Also a few certain bets would make life very comfortable such as England 66 or Red Rum.
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