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Post by Sue Butcher on Apr 25, 2018 9:35:43 GMT
If there are no time restrictions as to what may fairly be called a "clip," then I would choose the full battle sequence in the Emperor Dalek's throne room in Evil. I agree, that's the biggie. It seems as though everyone who saw it remembers it. And the reconstruction isn't very good, unlike the penultimate scene of Fury From The Deep which is quite close to the original. (Just needs more foam!)
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Post by Simon Bolton on Apr 25, 2018 10:47:40 GMT
Mine used to be the Doctor's fight with Salamander and him being dragged out of the Tardis at the end of Enemy of the World but I've got that now and it's brilliant. So now I'm ready to see the foam battle with the creature at the end of Fury from the Deep, with added foam! Which reconstruction is it Sue? Cheers Simon
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Apr 25, 2018 10:49:09 GMT
If there are no time restrictions as to what may fairly be called a "clip," then I would choose the full battle sequence in the Emperor Dalek's throne room in Evil. I agree, that's the biggie. It seems as though everyone who saw it remembers it. And the reconstruction isn't very good, unlike the penultimate scene of Fury From The Deep which is quite close to the original. (Just needs more foam!) What particularly stood out from the Evil battle that made it so memorable? I'm trying to create an accurate animation of it (as time permits!). It's very interesting that quite a few people who've contributed to this forum remember seeing it more than any other serial, though I suppose it was helped by its repeat broadcasts in both the UK and Australia.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Apr 26, 2018 22:41:20 GMT
Some lovely moments here, I'd like to nominate something that's probably a bit overlooked but I think might look rather nifty.
Zephon's extermination in DMP3 (Devil's Planet). There's this erie silence between Zephon announcing he's leaving and the Dalek order to 'Execute!'. In my head that's directed beautifully with cold dead-eyed creepiness from the Daleks.. would love to see it!
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Post by tom rogers on Apr 27, 2018 0:19:42 GMT
I agree, that's the biggie. It seems as though everyone who saw it remembers it. And the reconstruction isn't very good, unlike the penultimate scene of Fury From The Deep which is quite close to the original. (Just needs more foam!) What particularly stood out from the Evil battle that made it so memorable? I'm trying to create an accurate animation of it (as time permits!). It's very interesting that quite a few people who've contributed to this forum remember seeing it more than any other serial, though I suppose it was helped by its repeat broadcasts in both the UK and Australia. I have never seen it save in a recon (I'm old enough but was/am in the US and never got the chance). As a teen I only learned of it through DWM and similar mags that were imported here from the UK in the 70s. An older friend owned a comic book shop near my home and used to get a few of these each week/month and would hold them for me (he thought it was something I might like - such an astoundingly perceptive fellow!). I still have all of those mags and have re-read them to the point of near-disintegration. This allowed me to form a sense of what it must have been like to have been actually able to see the program in the days of the first two doctors (we started with Pertwee here). I followed the hunt for missing episodes, read the Sue Malden article(s) in almost-real time, and absorbed everything I could about these two, at the time to us here, nearly-mythical early doctors. Amongst many pieces about various missing episodes, DWM ran a long piece on Evil, with photos, plot summaries, etc., and that sealed it for me. The image of the Emperor, towering over the massed Daleks, was a stunner. The recons do what they can with what they have, and I suspect the special effects would look less stellar than in my imagination, but to me it was the alleged climax of the career and, dare I say, "culture" or "civilisation" the doctor's greatest enemy. Wow. So, yeah. Nostalgia
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Post by Sue Butcher on Apr 27, 2018 5:36:08 GMT
Mine used to be the Doctor's fight with Salamander and him being dragged out of the Tardis at the end of Enemy of the World but I've got that now and it's brilliant. So now I'm ready to see the foam battle with the creature at the end of Fury from the Deep, with added foam! Which reconstruction is it Sue? Cheers Simon The one on Lost In Time, made from outtakes and telesnaps. Price should be half-covered in foam as well as looking terrified, and we also need the foam's retreat, which was filmed backwards as I remember.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Apr 27, 2018 5:42:08 GMT
I agree, that's the biggie. It seems as though everyone who saw it remembers it. And the reconstruction isn't very good, unlike the penultimate scene of Fury From The Deep which is quite close to the original. (Just needs more foam!) What particularly stood out from the Evil battle that made it so memorable? I'm trying to create an accurate animation of it (as time permits!). It's very interesting that quite a few people who've contributed to this forum remember seeing it more than any other serial, though I suppose it was helped by its repeat broadcasts in both the UK and Australia. Exploding Daleks, tops spinning off, gunk pouring out, and as well as chaos and horror, a slight slapstick quality. It was nicely filmed apart from the mismatch between the full-size Daleks and the Marx toy models. I had been very wary of the Daleks up to this point, usually they gave me the willies, but this is the episode that changed my mind.
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on May 2, 2018 21:54:55 GMT
What particularly stood out from the Evil battle that made it so memorable? I'm trying to create an accurate animation of it (as time permits!). It's very interesting that quite a few people who've contributed to this forum remember seeing it more than any other serial, though I suppose it was helped by its repeat broadcasts in both the UK and Australia. Exploding Daleks, tops spinning off, gunk pouring out, and as well as chaos and horror, a slight slapstick quality. It was nicely filmed apart from the mismatch between the full-size Daleks and the Marx toy models. I had been very wary of the Daleks up to this point, usually they gave me the willies, but this is the episode that changed my mind. Interesting you mention a horrific aspect to the 'final end' - was it the way it was filmed that did it? The moment Maxtible pushes Kemel over the cliff and the screen inverts, just like the Dalek extermination effect, with the repeated chant of "kill, kill, kill!" must have been nightmare-inducing...
Also, how extensive were the model shots in relation to the live action? We see one of the 'tele-snaps' based in the Dalek control room before it's destroyed, and another of the exterior Dalek city model on fire. Did they book-end the action, or were they interspersed? The close resemblance of the control room model to the live action stage must have allowed for easy segues between the two.
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Post by Sue Butcher on May 3, 2018 11:56:41 GMT
It was a long time ago, I can't really give you details, just my impression of it. But I do remember that the gunk boiling out of the zapped Daleks seemed half-way between horrible and funny, because it did look a bit like porridge splashing around. You know, the way Quill and Oak were half-way between horrible and funny in "Fury". I think it's got a bit to do with my age at the time, realising that the scariness of Dr Who could be kind of humorous as well.
But I would be very happy to have my memory contradicted by someone with a copy of "Evil" episode 7!
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Post by Jon Preddle on May 4, 2018 3:27:36 GMT
But I do remember that the gunk boiling out of the zapped Daleks seemed half-way between horrible and funny, because it did look a bit like porridge splashing around. I remember part 7 too -- I saw it in Auckland, New Zealand in October 1970. There are some lovely telesnaps showing the "gunk" / "porridge" bubbling inside just as I remember it. Surprisingly, I have no recollection whatsoever of the Emperor Dalek.
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Post by lousingh on May 8, 2018 14:01:57 GMT
Gads, there are so many candidates. I am going to go with the finale of "Fury from the Deep", with the Doctor and Jamie looking at Victoria staying.
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on May 8, 2018 17:43:50 GMT
Gads, there are so many candidates. I am going to go with the finale of "Fury from the Deep", with the Doctor and Jamie looking at Victoria staying. Although I decided to go with the first scene of Power, this and Maggie Harris walking into the sea were very very close seconds.
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Post by timmunton on May 8, 2018 19:25:28 GMT
Hard to pick one, but I'd probably have to agree with the dalek battle in Evil 7. The 1968 UK repeat all those years ago really stuck in the consciousness.
One thing I recall about it - which may well just be a misremembering or 'false' memory, as I've never heard anyone else mention it - is that the Emperor Dalek himself 'boiled over' at, or near, the end of the battle - ie he kept his head on but a load of foam or gunge or similar frothed out around his collar line & possibly lower in his body also; though the main memory, true or false, is of it frothing over from; & down from where his collar area is.
I realise the smaller daleks had comparable things happen but somehow I also remember what I have just mentioned; ie that this happened specifically to the Emperor.
I know this isn't seen in the telesnaps or in the surviving effects team footage, so although the memory is reasonably clear that's another reason I think it's possible my mind or childhood imagination may have independently generated the memory.
It would be interesting to know; does anyone else remember this particular detail - ?
Would also very much like to see the Doctor's mind battle with the Great Intelligence in Snowmen 6 & Padmasambhava's subsequent decay, & many other bits & pieces.
Incidentally imho I've always thought the performances ( plus effects ) by Peter Hawkins as the Emperor Dalek & Wolfe Morris as Padmasambhava/the Great Intelligence are the 2 (or should that be 3?!) best ever guest voices in the whole history of Doctor Who.
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Post by adamjordan on May 8, 2018 21:05:57 GMT
Incidentally imho I've always thought the performances ( plus effects ) by Peter Hawkins as the Emperor Dalek & Wolfe Morris as Padmasambhava/the Great Intelligence are the 2 (or should that be 3?!) best ever guest voices in the whole history of Doctor Who. Got to agree on Wolfe Morrises Pamasambhava. Probably the creepiest vocal performance ever. God I wish we still had that one. I have a bit of a fixation with the DMP/Mission delegates so either the final “Victory!” scene of Mission with the original ‘planetarians’ or a clip of Brian Mosely as Malpha would be my left field choices.
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