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Post by simonashby on Apr 16, 2018 12:00:38 GMT
A case here of two fantasy stories (The Omnirumor & ZDF) actually complimenting each other, by sheer coincidence. Sums all of this up, really.
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Post by John Wall on Apr 16, 2018 12:25:57 GMT
A case here of two fantasy stories (The Omnirumor & ZDF) actually complimenting each other, by sheer coincidence. Sums all of this up, really. Broadcasters in places like Germany will almost certainly have moved premises since the 60s - things get cleared out and binned during moves.
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Post by richardwoods on Apr 16, 2018 17:35:12 GMT
Actually, I prefer Time and the Rani over the Ice Warriors. It's more engaging than the latter. We will have to agree to disagree on that one!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 2:03:11 GMT
Is it possible that the 'Cutting Copy' Ice Warrior prints found in 1988 were the audition prints offered to ZDF?
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Post by Roland Martin on Apr 17, 2018 5:30:07 GMT
Thanks for sharing.
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Post by George D on Apr 24, 2018 12:03:26 GMT
I personally thought the ice warriors was the worst of season 5. Why in the world did they pick that story if they were trying to sell dr who to another country?
A better choice would have been tomb or evil.
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Post by RWels on Apr 25, 2018 11:25:19 GMT
Anyway againt my better judgement I emailed ZDF yesterday, if only to quell these rumours. They replied immediately this morning: "Wir müssen Ihnen allerdings mitteilen, dass wir aufgrund Ihrer Angaben keinen Beitrag in unserem Archiv finden können. Falls Sie uns genauere Hinweise hinsichtlich des Sendetitels bzw. Sendedatums oder aber des Inhalts der Sendung geben können, kommen wir gerne auf Ihre Anfrage zurück und recherchieren erneut."
Meaning, in other words, "no".
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Post by Patrick Coles on Apr 25, 2018 12:23:04 GMT
I would gladly BURN every episode of McCoy (Kandyman, icemen, caretakers, laughable rubber monsters, Cheetah women, Bonnie Langford's hideous Mel, the Blue Peter badge wearing middle class supposed punk Ace,etc) and ALL of noowho and merrily dance upon the cooled off burnt out pile gleefully kicking up clouds of McCoy and noowho Dr.Who ashes into the air....
.....if it meant a single Troughton or Hartnell Doctor Who complete missing sixties story could be returned intact for forthcoming DVD release...!!!
not that I'm biased....but quality over piffle !
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Post by RWels on Apr 25, 2018 14:22:34 GMT
not that I'm biased....but quality over piffle ! Two words: Space Museum.
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Post by Greg H on Apr 25, 2018 16:21:58 GMT
I would gladly BURN every episode of McCoy (Kandyman, icemen, caretakers, laughable rubber monsters, Cheetah women, Bonnie Langford's hideous Mel, the Blue Peter badge wearing middle class supposed punk Ace,etc) and ALL of noowho and merrily dance upon the cooled off burnt out pile gleefully kicking up clouds of McCoy and noowho Dr.Who ashes into the air.... .....if it meant a single Troughton or Hartnell Doctor Who complete missing sixties story could be returned intact for forthcoming DVD release...!!! not that I'm biased....but quality over piffle ! Heartily agreed!
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Post by Greg H on Apr 25, 2018 16:25:10 GMT
not that I'm biased....but quality over piffle ! Two words: Space Museum. Sorry mate, I happen to like the space museum. Not exactly original or good quality, but it is a giggle rather than a cringe! If you had invoked the gunfighters you would have had me there............ So anyway, it is safe to consign (surprise, surprise) the current rumour regarding this to the towering pile of hokum that eerily floats around classic who, it is safe to say.............? Is everyone in agreement?
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Post by Richard Marple on Apr 25, 2018 16:47:32 GMT
It's interesting what goes in & out of fashion with Dr Who fandom, in the mid 1990s the McCoy era was getting a reassessment & the better stories being given classic status, while the weaker Troughtons being written off as final proof that the ridiculous & tacky stories existed in the 1960s.
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Post by Greg H on Apr 25, 2018 17:03:55 GMT
It's interesting what goes in & out of fashion with Dr Who fandom, in the mid 1990s the McCoy era was getting a reassessment & the better stories being given classic status, while the weaker Troughtons being written off as final proof that the ridiculous & tacky stories existed in the 1960s. Most things are cyclical to be honest. I can recall not enjoying McCoy much at the time of transmission, my personal assessment has never really changed. The 60s stuff, I find something to like in nearly all of the stories. It is nice that we have as much as we do
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Post by Patrick Coles on Apr 25, 2018 18:16:29 GMT
'Space Museum' episode one was superb - very much a stand alone like say 'An Unearthly Child', 'Mind Robber', and later in the seventies 'Invasion of The Dinosaurs' and 'Android Invasion' where just for the opening episode itself it was a worthwhile tale
'Space Museum' was a story written as a spoof but played straight - the key point being that the regular cast themselves can't prevent their seemingly inevitable fate they glimpse as a historical fact (themselves as dead exhibits in the museum) early on in the story, and regardless of their own actions events seem to be taking a pre-determined inevitable course...
them being effectively 'ghosts' early on was an interesting angle that was to a degree revisted later in 'Day of The Daleks' with Pertwee and Jo briefly meeting 'themselves' - again this was due to a Tardis malfunction
- BUT in 'Space Museum' the influence of The Doctor and co on others duly DOES alter the seemingly set in stone course of events....
in that 'Space Museum' denotes the entire history premise of the classic show re The Doctor and companions being the 'random element' in altering the seeming inevitable course of events from a foe succeeding to not ! (again as with 'Day of The Daleks' later)
the irony of 'Space Museum' was it had the native people having been influenced by The Doctor and co doing the 'saving' instead
the story seemed a strange one re it being written one way as a series spoof but then directed and acted out totally straight (as later Pertwee's debut episode was also written as a more comedic spoof but Barry Letts wisely insisted they play it straight)
McCoy's debut could and should have been far better - it lifts it's core theme idea from stories such as The Invaders chilling episode 'The Leeches' plus earlier tales such as 'The Time Warrior' etc however it's played as a panto style homage to seventies American soaps plus despite a few interesting ideas like the bubble traps the whole thing is done in a very non threatening style as BBC over reacted to accusations of some 'nasty' moments like acid baths etc in Colin Baker stories and the 'keep it tame' rule was applied and over acting was the norm by several in the cast - Bonnie Langford was made to revert to dreaded 'scream and scream and scream' mode (something she had NOT done earlier with Colin)
the 'monster' was so silly even Gerry Anderson would have rejected it from the auditions for the second season of Space; 1999
Doctor Who veterans Wanda Ventham and Donald Pickering (both had been in 'The Faceless Ones' with Patrick Troughton) duly looked surprised and full of distain at the hocus pocus going on around them and attempted to 'distance' their performances from the chimps tea party atmosphere as McCoy struggled to bring any kind of screen presence let alone 'The Doctor' stance to his new role - his Doctor really couldn't tell a Kate O'Mara 'Rani' from a Bonnie Langford 'Mel' ? - and to me he just looked like a guy who just happened to be walking passed Television centre and was grabbed and told he was to be the new Doctor !
A Stronger lead actor might have helped then...one who didn't just look so utterly 'clueless' all the time (not helped by the obligatory camera zoom ins on his face to end many episodes that had become the norm since Pertwee days as the 'yeeaaaoooww' supposedly dynamic closing theme intro cut in - an eerie fade to black or credits appearing then the earlier subliminal theme coming in was SO much more menacing...)
Later that Cartmel guy unwisely tried turning The Doctor into some "great manipulator of everything" (yawn) which no doubt sowed some of the seeds of death for the Doctor character later in noowho days (bigger yawn)
whatever I still would happily burn up ALL those McCoys and noowho for just ONE complete missing Hartnell or Troughton sixties adventure
- MUCH of the sheer 'quality' always came from those two actors own magnetic performances as 'The Doctor'
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Apr 25, 2018 21:00:36 GMT
Well i'd like to up the ante....I'd burn all Colin Baker episodes too for another complete Hartnell/Troughton adventure.
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