Kev Hunter
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Post by Kev Hunter on Jan 19, 2018 19:40:34 GMT
Stumbled across a fairly interesting piece on the BBC's site about attitudes towards a lot of the things that crop up here when discussing old shows: www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42690207James Baldock and Mike Ward make some valid points.
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Post by richardwoods on Jan 20, 2018 11:55:05 GMT
Good article.
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Post by Natalie Sinead on Jan 20, 2018 13:07:01 GMT
There's a similar point to be made about "The Unquiet Dead" and Rose barging into Victorian England and starting 21st century consciousness raising without the slightest regard for Gwyneth and Sneed's different circumstances.
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Post by Patrick Coles on Jan 20, 2018 19:47:08 GMT
of course equally it may well be in the future so much of today's TV is seen as inappropriate and in need of editing out and explaining away as 'humour of it's time' etc
so be warned - what you laugh at and champion today may be quite unacceptable in the future !!
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Simon Collis
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Post by Simon Collis on Apr 28, 2018 16:12:59 GMT
In the section about Fawlty Towers they said "In 2013, the BBC removed a scene from a re-run of an episode in which one of the characters, Major Gowen (Ballard Berkeley), made derogatory marks about the Indian cricket team."
I'm not sure I'd have left it in, although the section has the potential to be quite a clever joke for modern tastes if it was handled a little differently: you think that the Major is upbrading someone for being racist, and then it turns out that he's not, merely correctly someone's use of the "wrong" racial epithet. I'd have preferred there to be a better reaction from Fawlty than simply running off, but the scene does seem a touch out of place and unnecessary the way it stands.
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Post by andyc on Apr 28, 2018 18:40:25 GMT
Unfortunately we live in a bland age where some people are just "offended" by anything and everything.
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Post by Patrick Coles on Apr 28, 2018 18:44:27 GMT
I take great offence to that last remark....!!!!!!
(even tho' you are perfectly correct)
really it's all about control - make people scared to say anything that does not conform with the desired 'current thinking' etc
I recall a line in a episode of 'The Twilight Zone'
'you better watch what you THINK'
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Post by Greg H on Apr 29, 2018 7:55:07 GMT
There was a kid at my high school who used to take a lot of abuse over the colour of his skin; he had a lot of what people thought were very clever nick names and a series of standard jokes that would be made at him as he went down the corridors. We weren't close friends and I didn't personally think it was a very big deal. I can recall my surprise one morning when the news came in that at age 15 he had thrown himself off of the top of the local shopping centre's car park and whilst the ambulance service had tried to save him, it was no use. I remember how his family grieved and I wonder what he might have done when he grew up. Apparently the small amount of abuse I used to see him get, extended to every area of his life, whenever he left his house, even when I wasn't there to personally witness it, and he was eventually worn down, and had killed himself over it. My initial response was to ask what on earth was wrong with him as people were only indulging in a bit of what they perceived as 'harmless, funny banter'. Did he have the thinnest skin ever? Was he one of these 'snowflakes' we hear about from certain people so much these days? As time passed I reflected on the events and realised that whilst it wasn't a big deal to me, it was obviously enough to ruin his short life and drive him to suicide as he was being constantly harassed from every direction every moment of his life. Maybe from his TV too, who knows. It is amazing what walking a few miles in someone else's shoes can reveal to someone who speaks from a position of privilege where they don't have to deal with daily abuse. Here are some statistics about LGBT suicide rates amongst young people. www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/preventing-suicide/facts-about-suicide/An interesting question - are these young people all 'snowflakes' (not my phrase) or could it be that there is some form of different treatment that some sections of society are on the receiving end of that privileged white heterosexual males are completely oblivious to? Could a lack of understanding of this be what motivates them to bemoan the decline of officially sanctioned verbal abuse of minority groups as political correctness gone mad? It is a difficult question to think about, very tricky. Could promoting what is considered 'hate speech' on TV actually contribute towards LGBT and BAME suicide and misery? Could we even go a step further and imagine that it normalises such name calling as the young man I mentioned earlier suffered daily prior to his suicide? Do people copy what they see in the media and on TV? That's a difficult one as well....... I can think of hundreds of incidents where young people have copied exactly what they have seen on TV and media, but doubtless they are the exception rather than the rule or somesuch. It is a bitter pill to swallow, but what from one perspective might be a 'harmless bit o' banter' might actually be quite crushing for people who are constantly on the receiving end of it. Does that make them 'snowflakes' or people who are aware of this also the much hated 'snowflakes'? Another interesting and very tough to answer question for some. I wonder who will be on the right side of history? No one can tell I dare say......
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Post by Patrick Coles on Apr 29, 2018 17:13:57 GMT
Sad indeed
but re suicides remember;
'so my mind was full of wonder when the evening headline read Richard Corey went home last night...and put a bullet through his head...' (Simon & Garfunkel)
you get the privileged 'have it all' rich influential mega successful types who (apparently) never suffer any 'abuse'....who end it all as well
you can never second guess the complete picture re these actions
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Post by Tony Walshaw on Apr 29, 2018 20:39:19 GMT
A poignant story Greg H. It is a bitter pill to swallow, but what from one perspective might be a 'harmless bit o' banter' might actually be quite crushing for people who are constantly on the receiving end of it. Does that make them 'snowflakes' or people who are aware of this also the much hated 'snowflakes'? The people who instigate the banter are often not keen to take it back. People who are aware of it often keep quiet.
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Post by tom rogers on Apr 30, 2018 0:35:30 GMT
A poignant story Greg H. It is a bitter pill to swallow, but what from one perspective might be a 'harmless bit o' banter' might actually be quite crushing for people who are constantly on the receiving end of it. Does that make them 'snowflakes' or people who are aware of this also the much hated 'snowflakes'? The people who instigate the banter are often not keen to take it back. People who are aware of it often keep quiet. True. And sometimes things you say cannot be taken back, ever, no matter how much you might wish otherwise. I work with families and children who often deal with these issues, and one thing I have learned over the years is that it is often the perspective of the injured/targeted party that ultimately decides that. We all have our own suffering thresholds that we cannot move beyond.
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