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Post by Robert Lia on Apr 11, 2019 20:35:02 GMT
To be fair when you look at the content of those discs what percentage would you all say are reused for the Blue Ray Releases, quite a bit if you pull out your old DVDs and compare them.
"The Macra Terror" was commissioned in Spring 2018 for a release in early 2019, I have no doubt if the BBC wanted to improve on its efforts on "The Tenth Planet" and "The Moonbase" they could easily and efficiently do it as they have the characters of Ben, Polly and The Doctor already done. Also the tease on "The Power of the Daleks" has the regeneration scene from "The Tenth Planet" with Hartnell in it.
Still I would prefer new animated content for other episodes still missing over an improvement to an existing animation. Sadly I think seasons 3 and 4 are the last ones to get the Blue Ray treatment so we have plenty of time to speculate.
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Post by Alan Hayes on Apr 11, 2019 21:58:39 GMT
Like I said when they get around to doing a full season box set which I suspect will be a few years before they do any Hartnell - Troughton seasons with many missing episodes. As for people being happy with the early animation efforts I seem to remember quite a lot of comments about how they could have been so much better. Now as the animations improve sadly the earlier ones start to look worse (do to the passage of time). Perhaps they might consider colorizing the early animations when they come up for release on the season sets ? Yes, some comments were made. I was particularly unhappy with the animation of Reign of Terror but I wouldn't expect it to be remounted. As for colorizing early animations - it would only make sense really if they colorized the full stories (since they are part-animated, part surviving episodes), and they're not going to do that for cost - and probably artistic - reasons. Again, the budget would be diverted into creation of new special features - as has been the case thus far.
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Post by Robert Lia on Apr 11, 2019 22:30:59 GMT
Your right I don't see them animating existing episodes at all be it in colour or black and white. Now for example Tenth Planet episode #4 I could see getting the colour treatment sometime down the line as it would run straight into Power for 7 straight colored animated episode which might look good to the eye as well.
Now as for what they might do for "The Evil of the Daleks", or "The Abominable Snowman" animation wise they would have to make a decision on weather to animate the existing episode and include the existing episodes as an extra or do 5 of 6 and 6 of 7 as animations.
The BBC will sooner or later have to make a decision on that (at least I hope they will have to make that decision sooner or later.
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Apr 14, 2019 9:48:20 GMT
I may have missed something, but I'm not sure Moonbase needs improvement, does it? That animation was amazing.
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Post by Qasim Yusuf on Apr 15, 2019 7:49:01 GMT
I may have missed something, but I'm not sure Moonbase needs improvement, does it? That animation was amazing. Agreed. Probably the best out of all the missing episode animations.
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Post by Alan Hayes on Apr 15, 2019 8:34:27 GMT
My fave is The Ice Warriors as that's unashamedly animated, and doesn't try to be photo realistic. I love the Pugwashy movement and all... And I realise I'm in a tiny minority...
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Post by richardwoods on Apr 16, 2019 17:36:45 GMT
My fave is The Ice Warriors as that's unashamedly animated, and doesn't try to be photo realistic. I love the Pugwashy movement and all... And I realise I'm in a tiny minority... You are not on your own Alan, I agree 100%
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Apr 18, 2019 9:30:07 GMT
I gotto admit, the only animation I didn't like was The Reign of Terror.
The characters' heads bob up and down like Thunderbirds puppets, but lacked the charm.
The constant quick cuts made Barbara and Léon talking look like an epic action movie scene, which DIDN'T work, because it WASN'T an epic action movie scene.
The action scene in Part 5 didn't feel like it worked, because it moved so slowly.
Ice Warriors worked because Qurios worked to the limitations of 1967, keeping the camera numbers short and thinking in terms of how they did old Who. Like how Clent is hit with the power pack instead of having it thrown at him. With the limitations of the bulky Ice Warrior costumes, that worked very well.
Macra Terror is a close second for worst, I'm afraid. No problems with their limitations as far as people are concerned, but the Macra weren't in keeping with the original, and they all but ignored the existing footage. Yes, before I said dramatic license was likely the reason they went with it, but hey, if they kept to the original idea and did it in the same way as the 60's version, they would have saved money on doing such elaborate animation and could have used that extra money for something important... Like animating the scenes from Episode 1 they cut out...
If I was to rate the animations, it would be:
1. The Moonbase 2. The Ice Warriors 3. The Invasion 4. The Tenth Planet 5. The Power of the Daleks 6. The Macra Terror 7. The Reign of Terror
I'm excluding Underwater Menace, Wheel in Space and Mission to the Unknown, because Wheel only got ten minutes of Episode 1 (the more boring chapter), Mission to the Unknown (cause that wasn't commissioned by the BBC) and Underwater Menace (because that didn't happen... probably pointless of me putting it here, really)
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Apr 18, 2019 10:36:46 GMT
I may have missed something, but I'm not sure Moonbase needs improvement, does it? That animation was amazing. Agreed. Probably the best out of all the missing episode animations. I agree as well-superb animation but shame the story is so slight which lets it down.But yes,fantastic animation.
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Apr 19, 2019 11:28:25 GMT
Agreed. Probably the best out of all the missing episode animations. I agree as well-superb animation but shame the story is so slight which lets it down.But yes,fantastic animation. That's why I like it so much. They took a very mediocre story and made it SO appealing to the eye. They could so easily have cheated with the Cybermen walking out of their shop towards the Moonbase at the end of Episode 3 (like the way people walk in Macra), but instead, they animated every single frame. The shots of the feet could have been traced from Episode 4, but when they actually leave the ship and are in full shot, they went the whole hog. Other shots like in Episode 1, where the Doctor mops his brow after regaining control of the Tardis. Something so simple animated with such realism? Too bad they were never hired for more. I'd LOVE to see Massacre from them. You can tell they were largely anime-inspired, with some shots in Tenth Planet, and THAT tone would work for Massacre in my mind. A friend of mine made me start watching Dragon Ball Z recently, and while most of the show is action-based, there are episodes that are mostly dialogue driven with not much else going on. But they work effectively because they keep the plot going, much like The Massacre did. Not much physical action, but LOTS of talking and moving towards a final goal. That's why it's one of the best Historical serials; it does so much with so little. A more limited tone with primary focus on expressions and gestures would work VERY effectively for an animated version of The Massacre. But as Planet 55 aren't doing any more, it's nothing more than a dream now, sadly, since this lot say they're not doing that story.
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Post by lousingh on Apr 25, 2019 16:00:12 GMT
Ice Warriors worked because Qurios worked to the limitations of 1967, keeping the camera numbers short and thinking in terms of how they did old Who. Like how Clent is hit with the power pack instead of having it thrown at him. With the limitations of the bulky Ice Warrior costumes, that worked very well. JMO, but I would have preferred that all of the animations work to the limitations of the technology of the era. I suspect that it would have been bad for commercial release. (Heck, I would want the animation to preserve any goof in costuming and special effects.) It also might have made them easier to produce.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Apr 28, 2019 21:07:22 GMT
My fave is The Ice Warriors as that's unashamedly animated, and doesn't try to be photo realistic. I love the Pugwashy movement and all... And I realise I'm in a tiny minority... You are not on your own Alan, I agree 100% Shame the story isn't up to much.The Crossroads-type set in the midst of a futuristic polar base was a terrible design mistake in my opinion as well.The only animation I watch the least.
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