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Post by RWels on Sept 25, 2017 12:29:54 GMT
I have a basic understanding of film, having been a projectionist, but I am mostly lost when I read this. I guess the Super16 that they used (right?) had it's own system incomparable with the standard 16mm. It did always strike me as strange that P&P would need restoration, because 1995 doesn't seem THAT long ago. Film is film. An A&B roll negative from 1970 (Spearhead) needs the same level of care and attention as an A&B roll negative from 1995... Super 16 sacrifices the soundtrack area to create a close to widescreen (it's actually 15:9) picture area which is cropped to 16:9 when transferred. It needs additional attention because the side opposite to the sprockets can lift away from the gate on some telecines, causing variable focus on some transfers. The original transfers of 'An Ungentlemanly Act' suffer from this aberration. Regards, Paul So there are unused margins top and bottom, well that is normal. The surprise for me was that every other frame was on a second film even though it's width that's sought, not height. (Anyway not that we need to derail this into a film format class.)
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 25, 2017 13:33:03 GMT
So there are unused margins top and bottom, well that is normal. The surprise for me was that every other frame was on a second film even though it's width that's sought, not height. (Anyway not that we need to derail this into a film format class.) No, not every other frame. That would be silly. Every other shot. So where there is a cut, the next shot is on the other roll. Paul
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Post by RWels on Sept 25, 2017 13:57:01 GMT
So there are unused margins top and bottom, well that is normal. The surprise for me was that every other frame was on a second film even though it's width that's sought, not height. (Anyway not that we need to derail this into a film format class.) No, not every other frame. That would be silly. Every other shot. So where there is a cut, the next shot is on the other roll. Paul Oh right, of course. Still unusual to my mind. Must have been weird to do the montage.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 25, 2017 15:13:11 GMT
Oh right, of course. Still unusual to my mind. Must have been weird to do the montage. Sequences were still cut in the usual way. But the cutting copy was reconformed by the negative cutter. On 35mm, the shots are assembled sequentially. On 16mm by A&B roll. Some prestige movies used A&B roll on 35mm to avoid the jump in quality going from a single roll optical. Paul
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Post by brianfretwell on Sept 30, 2017 15:51:32 GMT
Back then transferring A & B rolls would produce a bounce on each cut, so each shot had to be stabilised, something that Worldwide didn't want to do. So they did something even more bonkers. They took the original A&B negs to an outside company who had a new system for putting A&B neg onto a single roll. First, each cement join had to be carefully disassembled. This is hard. Then a new cut is done across the frame line at a slight angle. Finally, the new cut is joined to a similar cut on the next shot on the other roll using a newly developed high performance glue. The result is an extremely expensively produced single roll neg. It's the only time this was ever done on a BBC production. The Blu-Ray didn't sell that well because everyone had their DVD copies still and it was very time consuming and expensive. There is also the obvious issue of chopping up the archive master, and the errors that could creep in. And of course, with modern scanning techniques, the problem of bouncing joins goes away. Regards, Paul Ans despite that wasn't one shot taken from a positive print anyway due to damage? I remember the shot, an eternal walk with Colin Firth and Jenifer Ely, but not which episode. It certainly looked different to the rest.
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Post by RWels on Oct 23, 2017 13:12:20 GMT
Ah, it is The Basardi Affair, 21/01/1967, recorded from a telerecording (instead of off-air).
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Post by John Green on Oct 23, 2017 14:24:27 GMT
Ah, it is The Basardi Affair, 21/01/1967, recorded from a telerecording (instead of off-air). I,of course, read it as 'The Bastard Affair'. No episode synopsis on IMDB. Anyone got one?
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Post by RWels on Oct 23, 2017 14:42:52 GMT
Ah, it is The Basardi Affair, 21/01/1967, recorded from a telerecording (instead of off-air). I,of course, read it as 'The Bastard Affair'. No episode synopsis on IMDB. Anyone got one? Not a lot on Genome either: genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/b828e9d223454b5c952225ae6b99e7bd
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Post by RWels on Oct 23, 2017 14:51:02 GMT
Ah, it is The Basardi Affair, 21/01/1967, recorded from a telerecording (instead of off-air). I,of course, read it as 'The Bastard Affair'. No episode synopsis on IMDB. Anyone got one? Wait a minute, aren't the scripts supposed to be on the DVD?
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Post by John Williams on Oct 23, 2017 17:14:33 GMT
I,of course, read it as 'The Bastard Affair'. No episode synopsis on IMDB. Anyone got one? Wait a minute, aren't the scripts supposed to be on the DVD? Yes. The missing episodes scripts, including The Basardi Affair, are all on disc five.
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Post by John Green on Oct 23, 2017 19:05:32 GMT
Of course,I've bought the DVD set twice...and sold it twice. Have to admit that I never did read the scripts.
Zia Mohyeddin and Kate O'Mara are among the guest-cast.
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Post by RWels on Oct 23, 2017 19:10:37 GMT
Sorry, don't look at me for help. I found it dirt cheap, only it was a Dutch edition (don't worry, optional subtitles) - which makes very little sense - but anyway it had omitted some of the extras and probably the scripts too.
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Post by Alastair Fleming on Oct 23, 2017 21:39:42 GMT
Ah, it is The Basardi Affair, 21/01/1967, recorded from a telerecording (instead of off-air). I,of course, read it as 'The Bastard Affair'. No episode synopsis on IMDB. Anyone got one? Found this on a fan website: "When Sheikh Adbul, the ruler of an oil-rich country, becomes the victim of an intimidation plot, Adam investigates, and soon finds himself embroiled in middle-eastern politics and an international exploitation racket…"
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Post by RWels on Oct 23, 2017 22:47:30 GMT
I,of course, read it as 'The Bastard Affair'. No episode synopsis on IMDB. Anyone got one? Found this on a fan website: "When Sheikh Adbul, the ruler of an oil-rich country, becomes the victim of an intimidation plot, Adam investigates, and soon finds himself embroiled in middle-eastern politics and an international exploitation racket…" That sounds a bit like one of the earlier, existing episodes.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Oct 24, 2017 9:06:52 GMT
Oh right, of course. Still unusual to my mind. Must have been weird to do the montage. Sequences were still cut in the usual way. But the cutting copy was reconformed by the negative cutter. On 35mm, the shots are assembled sequentially. On 16mm by A&B roll. Some prestige movies used A&B roll on 35mm to avoid the jump in quality going from a single roll optical. Paul 16mm A&B rolls also allowed exposure and colour balance to be conveniently adjusted for matching between shots during copying, plus effects like cross fades and superimpositions, if the production budget stretched to that. 16mm sound was also split over two or more rolls to allow adjustments and extras like music to be added during the copying to a master roll. In filmed TV news, though, every shot with its sound-on-film was spliced together into one roll with tape, and you hoped for the best when it went through the telecine. There wasn't time to do it any other way.
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