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Post by ianphillips on Aug 13, 2017 14:46:06 GMT
Regardless of how feasible it is to set up, could a finder's reward at all help to encourage the return of missing episodes?
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Post by Greg H on Aug 13, 2017 15:15:16 GMT
Probably not mate.
Money can't buy gloating unhealthily.
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Post by John Wall on Aug 13, 2017 16:10:59 GMT
This has been discussed before, how much is WoF3 worth? Or what about Smugglers 2?
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Post by andyeves on Aug 13, 2017 19:43:00 GMT
If the JOS station manager still had WOF3 in the hope of one day cashing in, then a "finders" reward may have been the best way to persuade him to hand it back. But Phil is pretty certain that he has long since sold it on.
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Post by lousingh on Aug 14, 2017 21:39:11 GMT
Probably not mate. Money can't buy gloating unhealthily. "It'd be an expensive gloat, but they'd buy it." --- Duggan, "City of Death" Part Two. I totally agree with this analysis. There are dozens of famous and not-so-famous artworks that are missing. Even worse, there are those that were destroyed by relatives in retaliation for the arrest of the thieves. The Kunsthal Art Theft of 2012 leaps to mind. This is just a low-rent version of that. Thus, for all we know, the Robert Mugabe rumours are true.
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Post by scotttelfer on Aug 15, 2017 2:59:29 GMT
You get a screen used Dalek prop. That's the official reward, and probably the best they'll ever stretch to.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Aug 15, 2017 14:12:34 GMT
The problem with such a thing is people might hold out for better value. If for example a fun raised £10,000, and someone came forward with G4 episode 2, then great. But the fund would be at £0. And someone else might hold on to their copy for TP4 because they value it at, say, £50,000.. ultimately it could have the reverse effect where people hoard. And what about the kind souls who have found stuff and given it back for nothing? What if someone found a short clip, what value would that have?
Opens up too much of a can of worms for me, best avoided.
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Post by rmackenziefehr on Aug 26, 2017 5:06:04 GMT
The problem with such a thing is people might hold out for better value. If for example a fun raised £10,000, and someone came forward with G4 episode 2, then great. But the fund would be at £0. And someone else might hold on to their copy for TP4 because they value it at, say, £50,000.. ultimately it could have the reverse effect where people hoard. And what about the kind souls who have found stuff and given it back for nothing? What if someone found a short clip, what value would that have? Opens up too much of a can of worms for me, best avoided. And then there's the fact that, if you start setting a ransom for Doctor Who, you'd probably have people with all sorts of other prints for missing programs starting to demand that they get paid off as well- I have to suspect that holders of missing music programming could end up demanding even more money, for instance. In fact, I have to wonder if it could potentially actually serve to endanger certain missing programs- there is a real danger that people will respond either to not getting the money they demand or to discovering that there is no money to be had by throwing them away. Overall, this really isn't an idea I can recommend.
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Post by smccandless on Sept 11, 2017 13:23:44 GMT
Interesting that so far, apart from in UK of course, more episodes haven't surfaced in Europe (inc. Russia).
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Post by John Wall on Sept 11, 2017 13:28:21 GMT
Interesting that so far, apart from in UK of course, more episodes haven't surfaced in Europe (inc. Russia). Unless they were shown there it's unlikely.
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Post by rmackenziefehr on Sept 11, 2017 19:17:28 GMT
Interesting that so far, apart from in UK of course, more episodes haven't surfaced in Europe (inc. Russia). Not really- other than audition prints of The Ice Warriors being sent to Germany (and we're not even sure that either of the episodes missing from that serial were included), the only places in Europe to see any missing episodes were Gibraltar, Malta, and Cyprus. The best evidence is that Malta sent most (if not all) of its prints to Cyprus, Cyprus returned what it had in 1985, and I suspect that Gibraltar has been thoroughly searched by now. Other than them, there isn't any logical reason for a print to be elsewhere- and the prints that have emerged have tended to have logic as to their origins.
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Post by smccandless on Sept 12, 2017 10:20:08 GMT
Wonder if Irish tv has been checked. Irish tv began around 1961. Also, the BBC signal would possibly have been accessible in border counties but alas it's unlikely people had video recorders then.
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Post by John Wall on Sept 12, 2017 11:27:33 GMT
Wonder if Irish tv has been checked. Irish tv began around 1961. Also, the BBC signal would possibly have been accessible in border counties but alas it's unlikely people had video recorders then. The number of places that haven't been checked is steadily reducing. Broadcasters move premises which means a big clearout and archives are being digitised/checked.
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Sept 12, 2017 18:51:17 GMT
I've often contemplated that if I were to win $500M in the lottery that I would make it known that I would pay cash for missing episodes and see what would shake loose. But the "ransom" angle is a very valid concern. In my hypothetical here, I could shell out $10,000 per episode without breaking a sweat, although I seriously doubt that more than 10-12 missing episodes would actually surface.
How does one best protect everyone's interests? Ideally you'd want to do each deal independently and in secret so as not to run up the numbers and keep the flexibility of, say, paying $2000 for an episode of Space Pirates but being able to go up to $100,000 for six pristine episodes of Power...
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Sept 12, 2017 18:59:29 GMT
Although, this suggests another interesting line of thought. Conventional wisdom says there are two basic kinds of film holders out there: the collector who knows exactly what he has, and the hobbyist (or their next of kin) who has some stuff but no idea if any of it is rare. Clearly waving around cash in front of Who fans will attract the former, but not the latter.
I wonder whether it might be more fruitful to change the angle and offer a flat $50 per can for any old TV programs on film with the aim of reaching people who may have traded films 30 years ago and now they (or their heirs) just want to get rid of them. This would bring in a lot of redundant material but in theory might pull in some missing material from people who have no idea what they have.
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