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Post by scotttelfer on Jun 26, 2018 17:00:08 GMT
I think we can all safely say that's never happening. Animations cost a lot of money and take a lot of time, they aren't going to waste it on Web. missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/149867/quoPersonally I think The Web of Fear and The Underwater Menace would be the next two to get a Special Edition DVD. Had the BBC not animated The Power of the Daleks and Shada I would have agreed that it was not going to happen but we all know the BBC cant resist the urge to sell it to us again so I say give it a little time. Sooner or later they will want to get more money out of these two storys Problem is given the time and money required to animate, how do you justify it to the fans when we all know Web 3 is almost certainly still out there? The Underwater Menace is a far easier sell.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jun 26, 2018 20:58:23 GMT
missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/149867/quoPersonally I think The Web of Fear and The Underwater Menace would be the next two to get a Special Edition DVD. Had the BBC not animated The Power of the Daleks and Shada I would have agreed that it was not going to happen but we all know the BBC cant resist the urge to sell it to us again so I say give it a little time. Sooner or later they will want to get more money out of these two storys Problem is given the time and money required to animate, how do you justify it to the fans when we all know Web 3 is almost certainly still out there? The Underwater Menace is a far easier sell. Depressingly true Scott,but the animations on the whole have been superb.Knowing that WOF3 is 'out there',shouldn't prevent the BBC producing what essentially is a small chunk of animation, or put the fans off from buying it.I personally would love it.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jun 26, 2018 21:27:35 GMT
It would not surprise me to have a Special editor of The Web of Fear come out with animation and a full set of extra to be followed down the line a few more years by a recovered episodes 3 and another release with even more extras to spice it up.
Sort of like what is happening with the Season 12 Blue Rays to get fans to buy it again
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Post by scotttelfer on Jun 26, 2018 22:34:07 GMT
Problem is given the time and money required to animate, how do you justify it to the fans when we all know Web 3 is almost certainly still out there? The Underwater Menace is a far easier sell. Depressingly true Scott,but the animations on the whole have been superb.Knowing that WOF3 is 'out there',shouldn't prevent the BBC producing what essentially is a small chunk of animation, or put the fans off from buying it.I personally would love it.
The animations have definitely been brilliant, but there's another 81 episodes which need the animation a lot more than Web 3 does, especially given there is currently a market for larger serials which for all we know could be gone in a few years.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jun 26, 2018 22:41:35 GMT
It should be noted that no episode that has been animated to date has been recovered. The first animations of "The Invasion" is now over 10 years old. The easiest to do (from an episode count) would be The Web of Fear, The Crusades and The Underwater Menace. This would allow 3 more serials to be re shown complete (sort of).
And yes The Crusades and The Underwater Menace do have a lot of characters that would complicate things from a wok point of view but completing The Crusades would make it possible for a series 2 complete box set to be animated and if you do The Underwater Menace then you have 2 complete story's in a row (8 episodes) that could be re released as an animation box set.
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Post by EJR Tairne on Jun 27, 2018 9:09:06 GMT
I'm not sure about the reasoning there. It's... there's no connection between whether something is animated and whether or not it turns up, and the animations haven't even been happening long enough or in great enough quantity to force the odds.
The one exception is the one episode that, provided the person in the best position to know is telling the truth, we know exists, and that there is a current active effort to retrieve. So from a business perspective, considering the expense that goes into animation and the lack of probable return for a physical DVD release, it's probably the least sensible of all choices to animate.
As I was saying earlier, the money has to come from somewhere, and it has to go somewhere. Just selling a DVD isn't enough, given how much even low-end animation will tend to cost and how little a DVD will sell these days. The two best routes to consider, if you're going to put your hopes on further animation are the co-funding situations that led to Power and (I think) Shada, and some creative budgeting for a future Blu-Ray set -- should those ever make their way to the 1960s.
For my part, I think the best hopes lie in a coordination between the two camps: the figures responsible for planning the DVD/Blu-Ray range getting together with potential co-sponsors and animators, to figure out the best candidates for standalone animations that can then lead directly to completing a season set. Less investment from any one party, and this provides some practical guidance as to what's most constructive from an archive perspective. In today's world, it pays to consider all distribution channels.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jun 27, 2018 10:36:01 GMT
I would be *so* depressed if they animated WOF3!
My choice for animation would be DMP, actually, probably without FoS but with MttU.
And then perhaps Space Pirates.
Animation has added advantages when you're doing spaceships and futuristic stuff.
Richard
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Post by zaqwilson on Jun 27, 2018 16:27:57 GMT
Cheers to Richard Develyn! I so Look forward to a potential high quality, not rushed, animation of DMP minue FOS. If done properly, it could be one of the best selling animations yet. Recovery of a missing episode that has been previously animated would be a great comparison. I have always wondered how different the reproductions would be. What nuances have been missed, overlooked, or forgotten. I assume that with some in the inner circle knowing that an episode or two do exist in private hands that are not being returned with their holders knowing their missing status, I assume Paul knows not only who has it/them but also what episodes they hold, When potential animation projects are discussed, there might be a whisper in the ear of something to the effect of "Lets not animate that one." If some obvious candidates for animations are passed over repeatedly, it *could* be a clue as to the fact that more of [that serial] is know or believed to survive than we know. Not that this really matters, but is an interesting though piece. Some good rumor fodder I agree that an animation of Web 3 would potentially indicate that it could potentially signal the widely held belief that it is now considered unlikely to return. Its animation would depress me as well.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jun 27, 2018 21:03:42 GMT
An animation of D M P would be most welcome but do it as it was transmitted and include F OS With DVD you have the option of skipping it if you don't want to watch it.
And I still think an animated W O F 3 would be great
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jun 28, 2018 8:00:51 GMT
Recovery of a missing episode that has been previously animated would be a great comparison. I have always wondered how different the reproductions would be. What nuances have been missed, overlooked, or forgotten. I felt the same way about the reconstructions. Had to wait a long time for that to happen. Richard
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Post by Ed Brown on Jul 17, 2018 5:00:18 GMT
Recovery of a missing episode that has been previously animated would be a great comparison. I have always wondered how different the reproductions would be. What nuances have been missed, overlooked, or forgotten. How difficult is it to simply watch the Season 1 serial 'The Reign of Terror'? Surely it is obvious from a comparison of the surviving and animated episodes within that serial that the animations have lost most or all of the subtlety of a real performance by a live actor. Don't kid yourself that an animation is ever going to be anything more than a slightly less crude version of a Loose Canon reconstruction. It can never recreate the professional experience that a real actor brings to a role, particularly one with decades of acting experience such as Bill Hartnell.
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Post by samnurden on Jul 17, 2018 17:12:50 GMT
Recovery of a missing episode that has been previously animated would be a great comparison. I have always wondered how different the reproductions would be. What nuances have been missed, overlooked, or forgotten. How difficult is it to simply watch the Season 1 serial 'The Reign of Terror'? Surely it is obvious from a comparison of the surviving and animated episodes within that serial that the animations have lost most or all of the subtlety of a real performance by a live actor. Don't kid yourself that an animation is ever going to be anything more than a slightly less crude version of a Loose Canon reconstruction. It can never recreate the professional experience that a real actor brings to a role, particularly one with decades of acting experience such as Bill Hartnell. Quoted for truth. The animation is there to make your viewing experience easier. It does what it's set out to do, so you don't have to stare at a slideshow for 45 minutes+.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jul 17, 2018 19:56:17 GMT
How difficult is it to simply watch the Season 1 serial 'The Reign of Terror'? Surely it is obvious from a comparison of the surviving and animated episodes within that serial that the animations have lost most or all of the subtlety of a real performance by a live actor. Don't kid yourself that an animation is ever going to be anything more than a slightly less crude version of a Loose Canon reconstruction. It can never recreate the professional experience that a real actor brings to a role, particularly one with decades of acting experience such as Bill Hartnell. Quoted for truth. The animation is there to make your viewing experience easier. It does what it's set out to do, so you don't have to stare at a slideshow for 45 minutes+. The tele-snap recons can also be great,especially if they are HD and with accompanying background visuals and excellent narration. The absolute pinnacle for me must be the Ice Warriors 2 and 3 from the 1997 Ice Warriors Collection boxset. I actually prefer watching them instead of the monochrome animation on the DVD which is one of the only animations I didn't like!Great atmosphere and an excellent effort.Just goes to show the potential of the telesnap recons if done well. The WOF3 recon was very disappointing.Even if the original isn't found and no animation is forthcoming then I hope it can be upscaled to the quality of Ice Warriors 2 and 3.
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Post by zaqwilson on Jul 17, 2018 20:30:05 GMT
Recovery of a missing episode that has been previously animated would be a great comparison. I have always wondered how different the reproductions would be. What nuances have been missed, overlooked, or forgotten. How difficult is it to simply watch the Season 1 serial 'The Reign of Terror'? Surely it is obvious from a comparison of the surviving and animated episodes within that serial that the animations have lost most or all of the subtlety of a real performance by a live actor. Don't kid yourself that an animation is ever going to be anything more than a slightly less crude version of a Loose Canon reconstruction. It can never recreate the professional experience that a real actor brings to a role, particularly one with decades of acting experience such as Bill Hartnell. I never thought for a moment they would hold a candle to the original. I maintain that I look forward to the chance to compare them side by side. I am still glad they exist and am looking forward to more, but they are a poor substitute for the originals.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jul 17, 2018 20:51:25 GMT
Well if the article in The Mirror is correct that appears correct we are getting the following
EXCLUSIVE BY NICOLA METHVEN TV Editor
"EIGHT lost Doctor Who episodes from the 1960s are being animated for DVD release using the original soundtracks.
"The BBC destroyed film prints of over 100 episodes in the decade, thinking no one would want to watch black and white shows after colour TV launched.
"Now all four parts of 1967's The Macra Terror and four missing episodes from The Wheel in Space, shown in 1968, will have animation married to the original TV soundtracks.
"Both star the second Doctor, Patrick Troughton.
"The move comes after BBC bosses last year completed an unfinished story called Shada, featuring fourth Doctor Tom Baker, with animation and new voice recordings."
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