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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Mar 9, 2017 23:34:21 GMT
A Kaleidoscope announcement today for yet another Z Cars episode. What a nice find. I don't know too much about this episode (or most for that matter).
From the Kaleidoscope post:
"Written by Leslie Sands, directed by Eric Hills.
With Joseph Brady, Brian Blessed, Leslie Sands, Stratford Johns, Leonard Williams, Arthur Skinner, Diana King, David Kirk and Barbara Ashcroft."
P.S. This episode wasn't supposed to be tele-recorded apparently.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Mar 10, 2017 0:17:04 GMT
P.S. This episode wasn't supposed to be tele-recorded apparently. Except that it aired in New Zealand in 1965, and in Kenya in 1967, so must have been! |
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Mar 10, 2017 0:47:06 GMT
P.S. This episode wasn't supposed to be tele-recorded apparently. Except that it aired in New Zealand in 1965, and in Kenya in 1967, so must have been! I am corrected! |
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Post by John Green on Mar 10, 2017 2:25:28 GMT
Nice one, Mark. Apparently, there are several days' worth of announcements to come!
The Z Cars synopsis is: "The violent death of a small shopkeeper brings Supt. Miller into Victor Division and into conflict with Barlow, who has his own solution to offer."
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Post by Ken Jacowitz on Mar 12, 2017 1:47:02 GMT
How was it found? Could you please supply a link to the announcement?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Mar 12, 2017 10:45:51 GMT
P.S. This episode wasn't supposed to be tele-recorded apparently. Except that it aired in New Zealand in 1965, and in Kenya in 1967, so must have been! Correct. Statements about things never known to be film-recorded simply shouldn't be believed. Most things were. And it's film recorded, not telerecorded. A telerecording can be on videotape and just signifies that a programme was pre-recorded and not live. The early (1962 - 1965) episodes were live, so telerecordings would only be used for repeats. However, Z Cars was always film-recorded from the start and some of the programmes sold overseas will differ somewhat from the programmes as transmitted. Directly after the live broadcast, any scenes that were not up to scratch would be re-performed for the purposes of overseas sales and then a film recording editor would edit the original, replacing the fluffed scenes with the new recording. I'm not sure at what point this practice started, but it was told to me by a former film editor I worked with, whose first job as an assistant editor was to order an optical for Doctor Who, a 35mm of the TARDIS dematerialising. Regards, Paul |
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Post by Richard Marple on Mar 12, 2017 18:13:06 GMT
IIRC Quatermass & The Pit had a re-shot scene for one episode due to an actor having a laughing fit during the live performance.
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Mar 12, 2017 18:22:10 GMT
I'd always thought the only way to capture a live programme as broadcast would have been by pointing a camera at a monitor. If a programme was being film recorded simultaneously then presumably there must have been separate film cameramen adjacent to each TV camera in the studio? It also means that even without re-performing any of the scenes, the overseas film would always be different to what we saw in the UK as it was being filmed by a different cameraman. Even following the same camera script I can imagine zooms and pans would never match up exactly. The only elements that would be the same would be the pre-recorded outside broadcast inserts that would be played in live during the performance.
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Mar 12, 2017 18:45:36 GMT
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Mar 12, 2017 18:48:25 GMT
IIRC Quatermass & The Pit had a re-shot scene for one episode due to an actor having a laughing fit during the live performance. Similar to today, when something goes very wrong on Saturday Night Live during the live transmission to the East Coast (swearing for example), when they transmit to the west coast 3 hours later (and for repeats), they sometimes replace the skit with a version recorded during the dress rehearsal. |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Mar 12, 2017 19:13:16 GMT
I'd always thought the only way to capture a live programme as broadcast would have been by pointing a camera at a monitor. If a programme was being film recorded simultaneously then presumably there must have been separate film cameramen adjacent to each TV camera in the studio? It also means that even without re-performing any of the scenes, the overseas film would always be different to what we saw in the UK as it was being filmed by a different cameraman. Even following the same camera script I can imagine zooms and pans would never match up exactly. The only elements that would be the same would be the pre-recorded outside broadcast inserts that would be played in live during the performance. No Simon, and I'm sure that you know exactly what I meant, but to be clear, the BBC had a Film Recording department. The film recorders were indeed special film cameras with built in monitors from which video sources could be recorded to film. There were various film recording channels, denoted by the prefix FR. FR25 was often used to film record Doctor Who for example. We know this because the recording channel had an ident caption on the grey scale captured on the negative. I'm guessing that it was used to make a lot of the 1967 run or recordings from the older tapes. The recording status of these recordings was also denoted in the recording number. VT/4T/67284 would have been a videotape recording in 405. 16/4T/67284 would have been a 16mm film recording from a 405 line source. It's how we know that 'Power of the Daleks' #6 was originally recorded from a 625 line studio. Paul |
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Post by paul carney on Mar 12, 2017 20:28:19 GMT
Why did the BBC broadcast a hit prime time show like Z Cars live in the 1960s when it could have been pre-recorded on video tape?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Mar 12, 2017 21:24:21 GMT
Why did the BBC broadcast a hit prime time show like Z Cars live in the 1960s when it could have been pre-recorded on video tape? Certainly early 60's shows were mostly live, but you're right. By the time Z Cars started, a lot of shows were recorded in advance, but producer David Rose wanted the programme to feel more spontaneous, so he made sure the series went out live. Of course, it wasn't a hit when it started. Paul |
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Mar 12, 2017 23:13:06 GMT
No Simon, and I'm sure that you know exactly what I meant, but to be clear, the BBC had a Film Recording department. The film recorders were indeed special film cameras with built in monitors from which video sources could be recorded to film. So it was a single film camera recording the video output similar to the Kinescope method.  Confusingly, Wikipedia redirect the word "Telerecording" to the "Kinescope" page, but as you said, a telerecording could be either videotape (VT) or film (FR) and simply refers to a programme being pre-recorded before transmission. When you said 'Z' Cars was film recorded I was envisaging something similar to Electronicam as used in the States where the footage from each camera would be edited to match the live broadcast, creating a film master copy. By the 1960s I would assume almost every live BBC show would be either videotaped by the Engineering department or filmed by the Film Recording department... |
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Post by G D Peck on Mar 13, 2017 0:12:51 GMT
How was it found? Could you please supply a link to the announcement? At a guess I'm assuming it is the same copy that was on eBay recently - here |
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