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Post by brianfretwell on Jan 10, 2016 13:25:41 GMT
DA was also one of the few shows to get an episode recolourised. Both things cost an arm and a leg and they'll only do it for the most popular shows. I thought the recoloured episode of DA was the one where chroma dot recovery was discovered? So essentially without that episode a lot of the DW colourisations wouldn't have been so cost effective? Or are my memory circuits scrambled again? Wasm't the pilot episode of "Are You Being Served also given colour recovery at that time as well? |
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Post by RWels on Jan 10, 2016 16:19:17 GMT
I thought the recoloured episode of DA was the one where chroma dot recovery was discovered? So essentially without that episode a lot of the DW colourisations wouldn't have been so cost effective? Or are my memory circuits scrambled again? Wasm't the pilot episode of "Are You Being Served also given colour recovery at that time as well? Yes. But there are lots of programs that could be recolourised, such as The Goodies: Caught in the act and two episodes of All Gas and Gaiters. And there is a ton of audio-only. Both things are very costly, so much as I enjoyed the examples I gave, I don't think it'll happen anytime soon. |
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Post by Dan S on Jan 11, 2016 15:05:29 GMT
Presumably the last two missing Dad's Army episodes will also be animated? Out of the three missing episodes, only one audio television soundtrack survives, so this will probably be it. They were re-done on radio with the same cast and presumably the same script (presumably with any visual gags re-worked) so they could probabably use those versions for the sake of completing the set. |
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Post by John Green on Jan 11, 2016 17:56:54 GMT
I think some of the scripts required major re-workings.It might be fun to play the radio version of Stripes while watching the animated version...
The other radio versions of lost episodes would be nice,animated; not in the near future,I suspect!
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Post by Alex Weidmann on Jan 12, 2016 1:15:01 GMT
DA was also one of the few shows to get an episode recolourised. Both things cost an arm and a leg and they'll only do it for the most popular shows. I thought the recoloured episode of DA was the one where chroma dot recovery was discovered? So essentially without that episode a lot of the DW colourisations wouldn't have been so cost effective? Or are my memory circuits scrambled again? No that's completely wrong. The first experiments in chroma dot colour recovery were carried out on a set of clips from "Top Of The Pops". "Dad's Army" was amongst the first batch of full episodes to be recolourised in September 2008, along with "Dr. Who": "Mind Of Evil" and "Planet of The Daleks"; but the process had already been fully developed by that stage. Chroma dot colour recovery is still in use today, and has been applied to episodes from "Paul Temple", "Steptoe & Son" and "Morcambe & Wise". Far as I'm aware the costs involved are minimal, as Richard Russell performs the processing free of charge (to the best of my knowledge). The expensive process you're thinking of was done by an American company, and was not based on chroma dots, but recolouring by hand. |
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Post by RWels on Jan 12, 2016 10:52:46 GMT
Chroma dot colour recovery is still in use today, and has been applied to episodes from "Paul Temple", "Steptoe & Son" and "Morcambe & Wise". Far as I'm aware the costs involved are minimal, as Richard Russell performs the processing free of charge (to the best of my knowledge). The expensive process you're thinking of was done by an American company, and was not based on chroma dots, but recolouring by hand. If so then this is the first time I heard about it. I thought it was still relatively hard to do. |
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Post by Richard Marple on Jan 12, 2016 13:30:52 GMT
Far as I'm aware the costs involved are minimal, as Richard Russell performs the processing free of charge (to the best of my knowledge). The expensive process you're thinking of was done by an American company, and was not based on chroma dots, but recolouring by hand. IIRC The Restoration Team site mentioned the American recolouring used a computerised system to assign colours to different shades of grey. |
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Post by RWels on Jan 12, 2016 15:52:17 GMT
different shades of grey. Hey we want none of that smut here!  |
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Post by Alex Weidmann on Jan 12, 2016 16:58:38 GMT
Chroma dot colour recovery is still in use today, and has been applied to episodes from "Paul Temple", "Steptoe & Son" and "Morcambe & Wise". Far as I'm aware the costs involved are minimal, as Richard Russell performs the processing free of charge (to the best of my knowledge). The expensive process you're thinking of was done by an American company, and was not based on chroma dots, but recolouring by hand. If so then this is the first time I heard about it. I thought it was still relatively hard to do. No it's not hard, in fact the software is freely available: so anyone could do it at home on their PC (if they had access to suitable source material). (The only caveat is the public version of the software puts a watermark on the output footage.) The automated process makes a lot of errors: so these have to be corrected manually, which is a long and tedious business. I would think that's the main limiting factor on how much archive material can be recolourised. The last programme to be processed was "Paul Temple" in August 2014. Here's a list of all the programmes that've been recolourised so far: colour-recovery.wikia.com/wiki/Processed_programmes |
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Post by Alex Weidmann on Jan 12, 2016 17:02:47 GMT
Far as I'm aware the costs involved are minimal, as Richard Russell performs the processing free of charge (to the best of my knowledge). The expensive process you're thinking of was done by an American company, and was not based on chroma dots, but recolouring by hand. IIRC The Restoration Team site mentioned the American recolouring used a computerised system to assign colours to different shades of grey. Yes that's right. They would recolour one key-frame by hand at the beginning of each camera-shot, then a computerised process would apply those colours to subsequent frames. |
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Post by Richard Marple on Jan 12, 2016 18:22:53 GMT
The DWRT feature on the Dalek War box set has a feature on how part 3 of Planet Of The Daleks was recoloured using Legend Films.
Their system needs a palette keying for each shot, & lots of touching up afterwards.
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Post by RWels on Jan 12, 2016 18:49:53 GMT
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Post by Alex Weidmann on Jan 12, 2016 20:59:51 GMT
I think it is just down to the man-hours required to tidy up the erroneous colours. I was involved in the project, and have tried to find an automated solution. Unfortunately it didn't work very well; though someone with better coding skills might have more luck. |
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Post by Charles Daniels on Jan 13, 2016 9:37:38 GMT
I wouldn't mind it at all if they simply animated the radio show version of those two episodes and released that to plug in the gaps.
But it's foolish to hope for that -- We're doomed. Doomed!
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