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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Dec 17, 2015 11:02:56 GMT
This is wonderful, Ed. Great you're sharing the info of what you find with us, and moreover, checking all of the tapes.
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Post by Rob Moss on Dec 17, 2015 11:35:39 GMT
Generally yes, unless they are BBC tapes which start with time clocks. The machines are so fragile and liable to be screwed by dodgy tapes (Scotch tapes in particular seem to be dangerous), or to get a tape stuck in the mechanism. So I'm generally fearful of too much winding through tapes. But if it's an off air recording then I will. I'd recommend checking to the end even if there's a VT clock - look at how many tapes have had little bits of rushes at the end... |
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Post by Richard Marple on Dec 17, 2015 13:59:43 GMT
Where did the domestic format copy of the original edit of The Deadly Assassin come from?
Was is an off-air or a viewing copy the BBC didn't re-edit?
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Post by richardwoods on Dec 17, 2015 17:29:01 GMT
Who knows! If you come upon I, Claudius episode "Zeus by Jove", you might even find the uncut ending! Yes, we can but hope! |
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Post by Chris Singh on Dec 17, 2015 21:27:04 GMT
I thought Ian said that some of these are studio session tapes for the BBC Shakespeare series, I would love to see these, I only know of 1 outtake for the whole 1978-1985 series. As You Like It - 1978 Good one.Am I right in thinking that an entire play was pretty much canned? As far as I'm aware "As You Like It" 1978 was broadcast and is available in the BBC Shakespeare DVD Collection. I have bought some of them separately but not this one yet. Big fan of them so far, so would like to see the session tapes if Ian didn't record over them. |
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Post by edstradling on Dec 17, 2015 21:39:40 GMT
Who knows! If you come upon I, Claudius episode "Zeus by Jove", you might even find the uncut ending! Ian did record the original TX, but that was only months after he got his first Philips machine (Aug 76) and he had very few tapes which he had to reuse. He recorded it to keep on its 1977 rerun but as I understand it, it had been cut by then. He later recorded them on UMatic on BBC1 in 1978. |
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Post by edstradling on Dec 17, 2015 21:41:17 GMT
There are several studio recordings of The Borgias. Not seen any from Shakespeare as yet.
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Post by RWels on Dec 17, 2015 21:49:27 GMT
Who knows! If you come upon I, Claudius episode "Zeus by Jove", you might even find the uncut ending! Ian did record the original TX, but that was only months after he got his first Philips machine (Aug 76) and he had very few tapes which he had to reuse. He recorded it to keep on its 1977 rerun but as I understand it, it had been cut by then. He later recorded them on UMatic on BBC1 in 1978. That is exactly what reliable sources told me, yes. There's the very small chance that he taped over it with a show that was at least a few minutes shorter and didn't leave the machine running. Studio tapes would contain even more. Oh well, what the other fellow said about hope. |
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Post by edstradling on Dec 17, 2015 21:59:14 GMT
Generally yes, unless they are BBC tapes which start with time clocks. The machines are so fragile and liable to be screwed by dodgy tapes (Scotch tapes in particular seem to be dangerous), or to get a tape stuck in the mechanism. So I'm generally fearful of too much winding through tapes. But if it's an off air recording then I will. I'd recommend checking to the end even if there's a VT clock - look at how many tapes have had little bits of rushes at the end... It's more a question of risk -v- reward. Every tape I play carries a risk, the machines are extremely fragile, and are difficult/expensive to repair. Plus I've already had two tapes snap when using the fast wind. If I get through all these tapes and the machine still works I will be surprised. So at the moment, stuff which might be missing is priority. After I've looked through all of those, and the machine still works, I'll look at the ends I've just digitized a Why Don't You which, if the lostshows website is accurate (not always, I understand), is very likely missing. The tape says episode 4 and the end credits say 1980, so if lostshows is accurate, it's eiuther 10/4/80 or 26/12/80, both of which are listed as missing. Alas I can't get rid of the tracking lines on this one, but I'll see if I can do a second playback and get the lines in a different place, maybe I can then put them together digitally. BTW there were three missing Points of View and two missing Get Set Picture Show episodes in Ian's VHS collection. |
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Post by edstradling on Dec 17, 2015 22:00:45 GMT
Ian did record the original TX, but that was only months after he got his first Philips machine (Aug 76) and he had very few tapes which he had to reuse. He recorded it to keep on its 1977 rerun but as I understand it, it had been cut by then. He later recorded them on UMatic on BBC1 in 1978. That is exactly what reliable sources told me, yes. There's the very small chance that he taped over it with a show that was at least a few minutes shorter and didn't leave the machine running. Studio tapes would contain even more. Oh well, what the other fellow said about hope. I thought of that, he almost certainly went over it with an early 1977 Dr Who, which would have left the end of the episode on the tape, but Ian told me he filled up any gaps at the ends of tapes with cartoons, so I'm not hopeful. |
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Post by John Green on Dec 17, 2015 22:03:37 GMT
"Points of View",eh? Which means snippets of other shows,too.Double-Rah!
You're just getting these in under the wire for Finds of 2015...
Added:
I had to read the Lostshows entry twice for this one:
Missing or incomplete episodes for programme THE GET SET PICTURE SHOW.
23.07.83 Episode 1 (missing)
30.07.83 Episode 2 (missing)
13.08.83 Episode 4
One or more sequences exist from a recording on a domestic video format (e.g. VHS, Beta, Philips 1500), but the complete programme is lost.
27.08.83 Episode 6 (missing)
10.09.83 Episode 8 (missing)
17.09.83 Episode 9 (missing)
Out of an original total of 10 episodes, 5 episodes are missing. In addition, one episode is incomplete and one exists on a format inferior to the original.
It means that one episode is both home-taped and incomplete,doesn't it?
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Post by edstradling on Dec 17, 2015 22:42:54 GMT
Surely that means they have episodes 3, 5, 7 & 10. 1, 2, 6, 8 & 9 are missing. 4 is missing but they have some bits on VHS.
Ian has episodes 5-8 inclusive, from 20th Aug thru 10 Sep. I would imagine he recorded the others (he wanted the cartoons) but they weren't labelled and catalogued in the usual way, I found them in the basement. But I went back and looked again and couldn't find any more.
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Post by RWels on Dec 17, 2015 23:19:27 GMT
"Points of View",eh? Which means snippets of other shows,too.Double-Rah! You're just getting these in under the wire for Finds of 2015... Added: I had to read the Lostshows entry twice for this one: Missing or incomplete episodes for programme THE GET SET PICTURE SHOW. 23.07.83 Episode 1 (missing) 30.07.83 Episode 2 (missing) 13.08.83 Episode 4 One or more sequences exist from a recording on a domestic video format (e.g. VHS, Beta, Philips 1500), but the complete programme is lost. 27.08.83 Episode 6 (missing) 10.09.83 Episode 8 (missing) 17.09.83 Episode 9 (missing) Out of an original total of 10 episodes, 5 episodes are missing. In addition, one episode is incomplete and one exists on a format inferior to the original. It means that one episode is both home-taped and incomplete,doesn't it? Probably but this kind of detail is sometimes wrong or the information about what exactly exists as what can be slightly incomplete. |
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Post by RWels on Dec 17, 2015 23:46:57 GMT
By the way I assume you have some contacts with the BBC, right? I mean to verify for sure if you think you found something? That is exactly what reliable sources told me, yes. There's the very small chance that he taped over it with a show that was at least a few minutes shorter and didn't leave the machine running. Studio tapes would contain even more. Oh well, what the other fellow said about hope. I thought of that, he almost certainly went over it with an early 1977 Dr Who, which would have left the end of the episode on the tape, but Ian told me he filled up any gaps at the ends of tapes with cartoons, so I'm not hopeful. It would have been episode 8, I guess, because the first ep was a double length one. Did he record comedy, by the way? Actually we shouldn't ask you so many questions but let you get on with the work.  |
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Post by edstradling on Dec 18, 2015 0:07:16 GMT
I'm watching The Newsroom right now, and my computer is doing the work. Digitizing three versions of Why Don't You, all with the tracking line in a different place.
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